Rev 20, literal, symbolic, spiritual.

[truth7t7]

32 minutes ago, abcdef said:

Is the time just before the 5/6/7th trumpets/vials, that would be the 1-4 trumpets/vials,

parallel to the time of just before Rev 20:7-9?

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(Yes)

I have given you a detailed description of my belief concerning the 7 vials/trumps, it's redundant now, if you have a statement or claim make it

Jesus Is The Lord

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17 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Yes I believe the trumpets and vials are "Parallel"

I agree completely.

 

17 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

"literal plagues" brought by the (Two Witnesses) seen in Revelation chapter 11,

The 2 witnesses, are seen in Rev 11:1-13. They are seen being resurrected just before the 7th trumpet blows.

But their timeline goes back a bit further, to the beginning of the 1260 days v 3, the same time as the 42 months of gentiles trampling the holy city Jerusalem in v 2.

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The 2 witnesses are killed by the beast that ascends up from the 5th trumpet abyss. this ties the 2 passages together, the 2 witnesses is parallel to the trumpets.

This would make the story of the 2 witnesses parallel to the trumpets/vials, and Rev 20.

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All would show the same events happening at the end,

that would be the 7th trumpet, the 7th vial, the fire from heaven of Rev 20:9, and the resurrection of the 2 witnesses,

are all showing the same things at the end, the 2nd resurrection, when Jesus comes for those who are His 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24.

 

17 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

a complete replay of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt 

I agree that there is a parallel, in some ways.

 

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17 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

I have given you a detailed description of my belief concerning the 7 vials/trumps, it's redundant now, if you have a statement or claim make it

Jesus Is The Lord

Plainly, 

The trumpets are parallel to the vials,

and they are parallel to Rev 20,

Then the millennium period of Rev 20, takes place at the same time periods as the trumpets and vials.

It means that  the events of the trumpets, and the events of the vials, all take place during the millennium period.

So the mill period is not like the garden of Eden where there is no sin, the earth is not turned into a paradise for 1000  years, Jesus does not reign from earthly Jerusalem in His glory, No.  There are terrible things going on at the same time.  

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This is because the subject of the passages, the trumpets, vials, and the mill period, are all different, describing different people.

The trumpets describe the flesh broken off branches of the children of Jacob/Israel.

The vials describe the people and supporters of the beast.

The mill of Rev 20 describes the OT saints who were resurrected with Jesus in the first resurrection in 33 AD. They live and reign over the kingdom/church through the OT scriptures.

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It means that the tribulation and the millennium are happening at the same time, covering the same general time period.

 

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2 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

I have given you a detailed description of my belief concerning the 7 vials/trumps, it's redundant now, if you have a statement or claim make it

Jesus Is The Lord

My Brother, I have just expanded on what you said that you believed. I'm agreeing with you. Have you found anyone who agrees with you on this website? I don't know, but when it comes to prophecies, it is hard sometimes to find agreement, it seems.

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This is so important because these things are happening now. The 7th trumpet is about to blow.

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If you will follow the path that you yourself have started, I believe, that you will come to the same conclusion as I have. 

The path that the 7 trumpets, the 7 vials, Rev 20, and the Rev 11 two witnesses are parallel.

The conclusion is that this present Jerusalem restored (1967) is conquered by Magog and the kings of the east. (Happening now)

As a result, Jesus comes for the kingdom/church, the second resurrection, then the fire from heaven.

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What will happen is that using this logic, it proves to be in conflict with the 7 times is 7 literal years timeline. Or 3 1/2 times are years.

That is, that the 7 times time line is not years, but centuries.

The meaning is that the trumpets, vials, Rev 20 and the 2 witnesses are about centuries and not a 3 1/2 or 7 year time line.

Being parallel passages, they generally center and represent the time from the great scattering of Israel into the gentile nations from 70 AD util 1967 when Jerusalem was restored and the trampling from the gentile nations had ended. Rev 11:2, Lk 21:24.

So all of the parallel passages shown will agree with these other parallel passages.

The 7 trumpets is parallel to the 2 witnesses, is parallel to the woman of Rev 12, is parallel to Rev 13 beasts, is parallel to Rev 14, is parallel to Rev 15-16, is parallel to Rev 17 woman, is parallel to Rev 20. 

These are all parallel passages that may begin and end at different times, but all show he same general time period from 70 AD until 1967, followed by the 2nd resurrection and the fire from heaven.

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Dan 12:7, The angel says 3 1/2 times until the power of the holy people is scattered. Babylon until 70 AD.

Revelation centers the second 3 1/2 times, 70 AD until 1967 when Jerusalem was restored.

That is why all the passages are parallel. They are centered on the children of Israel from, 70 AD until 1967, and then the 7th vial/trumpet.

[truth7t7]

2 hours ago, abcdef said:

This is so important because these things are happening now. The 7th trumpet is about to blow.

Once Again I Disagree, These Things "Aren't" Happening Now

The Antichrist, False Prophet, nor Two Witnesses have been revealed to the world, fire hasn't been called down from heaven, the mark of the beast and image worship hasn't taken place, literal global plagues aren't visible

Your claim the 7th Trump is about to blow is "false" in my opinion

In Love, Jesus is The Lord

Edited March 21, 2023 by truth7t7

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17 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Once Again I Disagree, These Things "Aren't" Happening Now

The Antichrist, False Prophet, nor Two Witnesses have been revealed to the world, fire hasn't been called down from heaven, the mark of the beast and image worship hasn't taken place, literal global plagues aren't visible

Your claim the 7th Trump is about to blow is "false" in my opinion

In Love, Jesus is The Lord

My Brother, I understand why you believe those things. It's ok to disagree.

I believe that if you continue to understand that the Rev passages are parallel, then you will see that they are in conflict with the traditional pretrib and near pretrib 7 year timeline and definitions.

That study is up to you, if you don't want to hear it.

Over 20 years I have come to understand how the parallel passages fit together.

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I will offer this for your consideration, another parallel passage to Rev 20.

Dan 2.

Look at the statue, it begins when Jerusalem falls to Babylon. It ends when Jerusalem is restored to the children of Israel.

That happened in 1967, so the statue has ended.

After the toes end, when Jerusalem is restored, then the stone strikes the statue, and then the wheat/chaff judgment.

In the parallel passage of Rev 20, the stone striking the statue is shown as the fire from heaven. After the fire from heaven comes the wheat chaff judgment.

Maybe you would agree with some of this, so far.

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The point is that the iron of the statue ends when Jerusalem is restored, 1967. Then the stone strikes.

Now add the other details from other parallel passages, such as the 6th trumpet and vial. Then we see Jerusalem that is restored to Israel, attacked by Iran and the gentile nations, just before the stone strikes.

It means that this present Jerusalem is restored in 1967, then is attacked by the gentile nations, just before the stone strikes.

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Now, having offered those thoughts for consideration, think about how the iron ends when Jerusalem is restored.

The Antichrist is the iron. It ends when Jerusalem is restored.

There is no more iron after Jerusalem is restored. Therefore there is no Antichrist power over Israel after that time, after 1967.

So the Antichrist cannot come after 1967.

He still exists, but his power over Jerusalem and the children has ended since 1967.

The iron begins with Rome in 63 BC. It ends as Rome in 1967.

Then the stone strikes, the fire from heaven, the 7th vial.

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Just think about it.

[truth7t7]

3 hours ago, abcdef said:

My Brother, I understand why you believe those things. It's ok to disagree.

I believe that if you continue to understand that the Rev passages are parallel, then you will see that they are in conflict with the traditional pretrib and near pretrib 7 year timeline and definitions.

That study is up to you, if you don't want to hear it.

Over 20 years I have come to understand how the parallel passages fit together.

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I will offer this for your consideration, another parallel passage to Rev 20.

Dan 2.

Look at the statue, it begins when Jerusalem falls to Babylon. It ends when Jerusalem is restored to the children of Israel.

That happened in 1967, so the statue has ended.

After the toes end, when Jerusalem is restored, then the stone strikes the statue, and then the wheat/chaff judgment.

In the parallel passage of Rev 20, the stone striking the statue is shown as the fire from heaven. After the fire from heaven comes the wheat chaff judgment.

Maybe you would agree with some of this, so far.

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The point is that the iron of the statue ends when Jerusalem is restored, 1967. Then the stone strikes.

Now add the other details from other parallel passages, such as the 6th trumpet and vial. Then we see Jerusalem that is restored to Israel, attacked by Iran and the gentile nations, just before the stone strikes.

It means that this present Jerusalem is restored in 1967, then is attacked by the gentile nations, just before the stone strikes.

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Now, having offered those thoughts for consideration, think about how the iron ends when Jerusalem is restored.

The Antichrist is the iron. It ends when Jerusalem is restored.

There is no more iron after Jerusalem is restored. Therefore there is no Antichrist power over Israel after that time, after 1967.

So the Antichrist cannot come after 1967.

He still exists, but his power over Jerusalem and the children has ended since 1967.

The iron begins with Rome in 63 BC. It ends as Rome in 1967.

Then the stone strikes, the fire from heaven, the 7th vial.

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Just think about it.

Just think about it

The Antichrist, False Prophet, nor Two Witnesses have been revealed to the world, fire hasn't been called down from heaven, the mark of the beast and image worship hasn't taken place, literal global plagues aren't visible

Yes scripture states the Antichrist is given 42 months

Yes scripture states the Antichrist will be revealed to the world, proclaiming to be God/Messiah

Yes scripture states the (Two Witnesses) are given 1260 days, bringing global plagues upon this literal earth

Yes scripture states the false prophet will call fire from heaven, to deceive the world into taking the mark and worshipping the image

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

Edited March 21, 2023 by truth7t7

[DeighAnn]

On 3/20/2023 at 2:27 PM, abcdef said:

Plainly, 

The trumpets are parallel to the vials,

and they are parallel to Rev 20,

Then the millennium period of Rev 20, takes place at the same time periods as the trumpets and vials.

It means that  the events of the trumpets, and the events of the vials, all take place during the millennium period.

So the mill period is not like the garden of Eden where there is no sin, the earth is not turned into a paradise for 1000  years, Jesus does not reign from earthly Jerusalem in His glory, No.  There are terrible things going on at the same time.  

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This is because the subject of the passages, the trumpets, vials, and the mill period, are all different, describing different people.

The trumpets describe the flesh broken off branches of the children of Jacob/Israel.

The vials describe the people and supporters of the beast.

The mill of Rev 20 describes the OT saints who were resurrected with Jesus in the first resurrection in 33 AD. They live and reign over the kingdom/church through the OT scriptures.

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It means that the tribulation and the millennium are happening at the same time, covering the same general time period.

 

The 7th trump blows and the Mill begins.  How can the trumps and vials be during the mill if it takes the 7th trump for the Mill to begin?

"And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever." Revelation 11:15 KJV



 

[truth7t7]

6 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

The 7th trump blows and the Mill begins. 
 

When the 7th Trump blows, this world ends in fire and final judgement, there won't be a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many claim, when Jesus is revealed it's "Fire Time"

Luke 17:29-30KJV

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Edited March 21, 2023 by truth7t7

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3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

The 7th trump blows and the Mill begins.

The 7th trumpet is the same event as Rev 20:9-10. This is also known as the resur/rapt. This is the second coming for salvation resurrection of Heb 9:28.

Rev 11:18 and Rev 20:12-15, both show the judgment of good and evil souls.

Rev 11:19 and Rev 20, both show Jesus revealed in His glory, which only saved souls can dwell in His light. The rest are removed from His presence.

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The mill is the time that the Dragon Rev 20:2 is in the abyss. Rev 20:7 shows when the "dragon" (v. 2), is released. 

Then he deceives the gentile nations into surrounding Jerusalem. After Jerusalem is restored to Israel, 1967.

Since the 7th trump and the Rev 20 second resurrection are parallel, they both show gentile armies attacking restored to Israel Jerusalem before the resurrection.

There are only 2 resurrections, Jesus and the OT saints in 33 AD, and the second resurrection when Jesus comes for the kingdom, which is imminent.

 

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

  How can the trumps and vials be during the mill if it takes the 7th trump for the Mill to begin?

The mill period when Satan is in the abyss, does not mean that this planet is paradise.

The actual description in Rev 20 does not really say that it will be like the garden of Eden or something. It just says that the OT saints who were resurrected with Jesus in 33 AD are alive with Jesus and reigning with Him.

The first resurrection was Jesus, Paul says exactly that in 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24.

The second resurrection, (which is about to happen), is when Jesus comes for the kingdom.

1 Cor 15:23-28, is EXACTLY parallel to Rev 20, 21, 22, with 2 resurrections, death being destroyed and then heaven when the kingdom is with God.

So you see that these passages are parallel.

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The answer is that the seals/trumpets are about the unbelieving flesh children of Israel. The blessings of the covenant protection from God was withdrawn after some flesh of Israel rejected the gospel. The timeline ends at the 7th trumpet.

The vials are about the beast people and their supporters. The timeline ends at the 7th vial.

And Rev 20 is about the OT saints and the continuation of the Israel/church on planet earth. The last scene on planet earth is when the fire from heaven comes. Then this heaven and earth fly away from the throne of Jesus.

That is why there are different descriptions of the same parallel time periods.

The key to understanding these passages is that they are describing the relationships between God and these different groups. Some are blessed in the new covenant and some are not blessed by rejecting the new gospel covenant..

 

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

"And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever." Revelation 11:15 KJV

Parallel to Rev 11:15 is Dan 2:34-35, 45, where the stone strikes the statue.

The statue is turned into wheat/chaff for judgment. The the chaff is blown away.

This Dan 2 passage is showing the kingdoms of the planet being harvested for the judgment of good and evil. This parallels Rev 11:15

This parallels the fire from heaven in Rev 20 and the events of the 7th vial.

It doesn't mean that Jesus is coming to reign on planet earth at the 7th trumpet, it means that Jesus is coming at the striking of the statue, by the stone, for the gospel new covenant kingdom and then the judgment of good and evil.

After the 7th trumpet and the stone striking, there will be no human life left on this planet, no second chances, fire.

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The Rev passages are parallel, finding known events in the timelines anchors the time line points.