Four questions for YECs - (and a little history of creationism vs evolution)

[Retrobyter]

On 3/25/2023 at 10:35 PM, BeyondET said:

I don't think Adam was immortal either. The tree of life was probably able to sustain life longer than any other tree, nurturing the thymus gland more efficiently increase its active state. It's ability to train young T cells ends now a days at 18, boot camp is over at that age.

Shalom, BeyondET.

Actually, Adam WAS immortal, but they were not yet incorruptible.

Neither tree had "magical powers." BOTH trees were given names that were symbolic of their functions, and the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil" was even named ironically.

The tree of life was a tree with MEDICINAL value. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was named BECAUSE it would be forbidden. Before, the tree's fruit was eaten, Adam was good, they were innocent, because they were obeying God's command. AFTER he and his "woman" ate from the tree, they had done evil for the first time. Now, their deeds were evil and God was still good! There was a difference that could be known, and they knew it because they instantly had a conscience and the guilt drove them to cover themselves with what they had available - the fig leaves.

It was a CONTEST! They were to eat of every other tree in the garden, but not to eat of the one tree. Nothing is said about the location of the tree of life, but they would have "stumbled upon" it eventually had they continued to obey God. After all, there were only so many trees in the garden, even if they had a great variety from which to choose!

So, when they LOST the contest, God stepped in to assure that they would NOT eat from the tree that could have healed their bodies in their lost state, preserving their lives for millennia, EXTENDING the pain and suffering!

When God asked Adam his questions, He already KNEW the answers, but He had to make sure that Adam knew as well. They had to admit to their guilt and they had to suffer the consequences of their actions. Only then could they experience remorse and contrition and be ones for whom God would atone. They had first to understand godly sorrow and repentance and come to God out of the shadows where they were hidden.

In the curse, they instantly BECAME mortal - able to die. Now, they were both mortal and corruptible - able to decay.

[FreeGrace]

14 hours ago, BeyondET said:

You said in the post I quoted Adam didn't sin until 930. If Cain killed Abel isn't that a sin?

No, I didn't say that.  I said Adam's death was 930 years AFTER his rebellion/sin.

Adam DIED at 930.  His first sin was 930 years before that.

My point was that we don't know actually how long Adam lived BEFORE his first sin.

[BeyondET]

4 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

No, I didn't say that.  I said Adam's death was 930 years AFTER his rebellion/sin.

Adam DIED at 930.  His first sin was 930 years before that.

My point was that we don't know actually how long Adam lived BEFORE his first sin.

Yes you did but if you meant something else I'm all ears.

Your statement below quoted

"I believe that Adam's age (930 yrs) was based on when he sinned,"

Edited March 27, 2023 by BeyondET

[BeyondET]

5 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, BeyondET.

Actually, Adam WAS immortal, but they were not yet incorruptible.

Neither tree had "magical powers." BOTH trees were given names that were symbolic of their functions, and the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil" was even named ironically.

The tree of life was a tree with MEDICINAL value. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was named BECAUSE it would be forbidden. Before, the tree's fruit was eaten, Adam was good, they were innocent, because they were obeying God's command. AFTER he and his "woman" ate from the tree, they had done evil for the first time. Now, their deeds were evil and God was still good! There was a difference that could be known, and they knew it because they instantly had a conscience and the guilt drove them to cover themselves with what they had available - the fig leaves.

It was a CONTEST! They were to eat of every other tree in the garden, but not to eat of the one tree. Nothing is said about the location of the tree of life, but they would have "stumbled upon" it eventually had they continued to obey God. After all, there were only so many trees in the garden, even if they had a great variety from which to choose!

So, when they LOST the contest, God stepped in to assure that they would NOT eat from the tree that could have healed their bodies in their lost state, preserving their lives for millennia, EXTENDING the pain and suffering!

When God asked Adam his questions, He already KNEW the answers, but He had to make sure that Adam knew as well. They had to admit to their guilt and they had to suffer the consequences of their actions. Only then could they experience remorse and contrition and be ones for whom God would atone. They had first to understand godly sorrow and repentance and come to God out of the shadows where they were hidden.

In the curse, they instantly BECAME mortal - able to die. Now, they were both mortal and corruptible - able to decay.

Actually he wasn't, no where is scripture says man was to live forever in the physical.

[NConly]

22 hours ago, BeyondET said:

Adam physically died at 930, did he have all his children in that year?

Genesis 5:3-27

When Adam was 130 years old, he had a son who was like him, and he named him Seth. After that, Adam lived another 800 years. He had other children and died at the age of 930.

[FreeGrace]

6 hours ago, BeyondET said:

FreeGrace said: 

No, I didn't say that.  I said Adam's death was 930 years AFTER his rebellion/sin.

Adam DIED at 930.  His first sin was 930 years before that.

My point was that we don't know actually how long Adam lived BEFORE his first sin.

Yes you did but if you meant something else I'm all ears.

Your statement below quoted

"I believe that Adam's age (930 yrs) was based on when he sinned,"

I NEVER said Adam sinned at 930 years.  I was clear enough.  The age at which Adam died was based on when he first sinned.  Which was 930 years BEFORE he died.

Some think the 930 years was from when he was created, but that can't be accurate. 

[BeyondET]

2 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

I NEVER said Adam sinned at 930 years.  I was clear enough.  The age at which Adam died was based on when he first sinned.  Which was 930 years BEFORE he died.

Some think the 930 years was from when he was created, but that can't be accurate. 

It wasn't clear but I think I get what your saying that Adam sinned 930 years before he died is that what you meant?

Edited March 28, 2023 by BeyondET

[FreeGrace]

10 hours ago, BeyondET said:

It wasn't clear but I think I get what your saying that Adam sinned 930 years before he died is that what you meant?

Yes.  He lived for 930 years after eating the forbidden fruit.  Some people think that Adam lived 930 years after being created in Gen 2:7.  But, the Bible doesn't indicate how long he lived before he ate the fruit.  Could have been thousands of years.  

[BeyondET]

4 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Yes.  He lived for 930 years after eating the forbidden fruit.  Some people think that Adam lived 930 years after being created in Gen 2:7.  But, the Bible doesn't indicate how long he lived before he ate the fruit.  Could have been thousands of years.  

Did Adam have children after eating of the fruit, if so then the bible mentions Seth being born when Adam was a 130 years old not 3130 years old.

[FreeGrace]

Just now, BeyondET said:

Did Adam have children after eating of the fruit, if so then the bible mentions Seth being born when Adam was a 130 years old not 3130 years old.

Adam had no children before his sin.  Or they would have been born without a sinful nature and wouldn't have needed a Savior.

I don't see where 3130 years comes from.  

I believe that all the mentions of Adam's age are AFTER his sin.