Knowing or Understanding ...................... Which is greater?

[FJK]

I've known many people in my life who could quote every verse in the bible by chapter and number, backwards and forwards and and almost magically open a closed Bible to the exact page the scripture was on and others that seemingly understood everything in the Bible without being able to quote a single verse, or even find a book book somewhere in the bible without flipping all the way through it page by page till they ran across it, if their life depended on it.

 

Two types of knowledge, which is the greater?  And why?

 

(Not a simple thing to answer, much consideration needed)

[Michael37]

34 minutes ago, FJK said:

I've known many people in my life who could quote every verse in the bible by chapter and number, backwards and forwards and and almost magically open a closed Bible to the exact page the scripture was on and others that seemingly understood everything in the Bible without being able to quote a single verse, or even find a book book somewhere in the bible without flipping all the way through it page by page till they ran across it, if their life depended on it.

 

Two types of knowledge, which is the greater?  And why?

 

(Not a simple thing to answer, much consideration needed)

Einstein believed in recording knowledge rather than memorising it. Newton published 8 major works himself and 4 more were published posthumously.

Understanding everything these two wrote has been challenging for the rest of mankind.

If you just want to do well in quizzes you only need knowledge. If want to make beneficial progress, understanding is advisable. 

The faithful followers of Christ do not lean on their own understanding but trust in the Lord with all their heart. Proverbs 3:5.

[Neighbor]

13 hours ago, FJK said:

I've known many people in my life who could quote every verse in the bible by chapter and number, backwards and forwards and and almost magically open a closed Bible to the exact page the scripture was on and others that seemingly understood everything in the Bible without being able to quote a single verse, or even find a book book somewhere in the bible without flipping all the way through it page by page till they ran across it, if their life depended on it.

 

Two types of knowledge, which is the greater?  And why?

 

(Not a simple thing to answer, much consideration needed)

Seems a wrong thing to be sorting by importance.  I think one will benefit greatly by one serving the other. Reasoning out application should not be separate from the foundation of the word being used to justify the reasoning, while a solid foundation without  purpose lays useless.

"Now there was also a dispute among them, as to which of them should be considered the greatest. And He said to them, “The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them, and those who exercise authority over them are called ‘benefactors.’  But not so among you; on the contrary, he who is greatest among you, let him be as the younger, and he who governs as he who serves.  For who is greater, he who sits at the table, or he who serves? Is it not he who sits at the table? Yet I am among you as the One who serves."

Is it not best that each serve the other, and is not the same true of knowledge and understanding?

My own understanding comes first from neither, knowledge nor understanding, but instead by the Holy Spirit who brings to my mind passages of the Bible along with application for me to reason through and utilize.

So the  effect is that I must live out an exposition of the word, with reading, thinking,  praying, then putting myself into action based upon trust in the word and the Holy Spirit's guidance to the application of the word. 

[JohnD]

2 hours ago, Neighbor said:

Seems a wrong thing to be sorting by importance.  I think one will benefit greatly by one serving the other. Reasoning out application should not be separate from the foundation of the word being used to justify the reasoning, while a solid foundation without  purpose lays useless.

"Now there was also a dispute among them, as to which of them should be considered the greatest. And He said to them, “The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them, and those who exercise authority over them are called ‘benefactors.’  But not so among you; on the contrary, he who is greatest among you, let him be as the younger, and he who governs as he who serves.  For who is greater, he who sits at the table, or he who serves? Is it not he who sits at the table? Yet I am among you as the One who serves."

Is it not best that each serve the other, and is not the same true of knowledge and understanding?

My own understanding comes first from neither, knowledge nor understanding, but instead by the Holy Spirit who brings to my mind passages of the Bible along with application for me to reason through and utilize.

So the  effect is that I must live out an exposition of the word, with reading, thinking,  praying, then putting myself into action based upon trust in the word and the Holy Spirit's guidance to the application of the word. 

I really dig your signature, Bro! Jeremiah 31:31-34

[Neighbor]

16 minutes ago, JohnD said:

I really dig your signature, Bro! Jeremiah 31:31-34

Thanks, A little lengthy  in this day  of emolies, tiktok, and  texting mindsets. But I was moved upon reading it  to update from Isiah 66 also a bit of a wordy  complimentary close. 

I have found myself thinking this morning ( A dangerous habit) about such things. Why some think their church is shrinking, what to do about sharing the word, people seeking followers and the bragging I have 20,000 followers on tik tok or I have  200,000 on my blog following me. etc. My immediate conclusion for my own considering is that  this makes  for many a cult  following. Literally  cults, all distractions from the word of God.

Does one then change to sharing of God through emolies and 240 character maximum messages?

 I further have been reminded of how I  felt I had to change sales presentations from 20 minutes of set ups with trial closes  and all that I was once taught, by bringing it all down to a total of 7 minutes through a series of looped visuals with designed questions with designed answers built in that led a prospective buyer right to that decision moment to buy. All  in seven minutes because that was the limit of a person's attention at that time, seven minutes. Sales went way up and the dollars per sale up right with it.

Now we are down to a few seconds at most at any one time, and the sale has to be made or lost in those few moments.

Pretty much down to - lost your way, Jesus is the way, Jesus saves.  Trust in Jesus. Or as one group is doing "Jesus gets us".

So why a lengthy signature message? All I can say is, I felt the need to post it for the message itself is evidently needed. Perhaps someone seeing it enough times will read it. I don't know, but went ahead with it.  It has meaning for me, maybe I am the one that needs to be reading it again and again eh?

Thanks for picking up on it.

[Who me]

23 hours ago, FJK said:

Two types of knowledge, which is the greater?  And why

Knowledge is good, but understanding that knowledge is far, far better.

Who would you go to see, someone who could quote chapter and verse of medical books or someone who understands how to use that knowledge?

 

It is the same with the bible, theology and Christianity. I have a nephew who study theology, he is not a Christian, it was part of his art degree for understanding religous paintings.

That knowledge has not brought hm to know Jesus as his Lord and the same can be said for many peoople who know the bible etc, they know but don't understand it. 

[JohnD]

11 hours ago, Neighbor said:

Thanks, A little lengthy  in this day  of emolies, tiktok, and  texting mindsets. But I was moved upon reading it  to update from Isiah 66 also a bit of a wordy  complimentary close. 

I have found myself thinking this morning ( A dangerous habit) about such things. Why some think their church is shrinking, what to do about sharing the word, people seeking followers and the bragging I have 20,000 followers on tik tok or I have  200,000 on my blog following me. etc. My immediate conclusion for my own considering is that  this makes  for many a cult  following. Literally  cults, all distractions from the word of God.

Does one then change to sharing of God through emolies and 240 character maximum messages?

 I further have been reminded of how I  felt I had to change sales presentations from 20 minutes of set ups with trial closes  and all that I was once taught, by bringing it all down to a total of 7 minutes through a series of looped visuals with designed questions with designed answers built in that led a prospective buyer right to that decision moment to buy. All  in seven minutes because that was the limit of a person's attention at that time, seven minutes. Sales went way up and the dollars per sale up right with it.

Now we are down to a few seconds at most at any one time, and the sale has to be made or lost in those few moments.

Pretty much down to - lost your way, Jesus is the way, Jesus saves.  Trust in Jesus. Or as one group is doing "Jesus gets us".

So why a lengthy signature message? All I can say is, I felt the need to post it for the message itself is evidently needed. Perhaps someone seeing it enough times will read it. I don't know, but went ahead with it.  It has meaning for me, maybe I am the one that needs to be reading it again and again eh?

Thanks for picking up on it.

With automation, the dumbing down of humanity (attention spans etc.), the globalization of everything... the stage for the false messiah is nearly set.

[Neighbor]

7 hours ago, JohnD said:

With automation, the dumbing down of humanity (attention spans etc.), the globalization of everything... the stage for the false messiah is nearly set.

I suppose.

Yet there have been many little antichrists all along if I follow what  was recorded within 1 John, and it all has to come to pass before the already existing victory over the final enemy  is shown and known to all.

In the meantime my own soul may be required of me at any moment at all. And that is a good thing since the Holy Spirit turned me about from running way from God to being shown Yeshua is God  my Lord and my savior from my own sins against God

"Victory In Jesus"* is the hope certain that makes it all countable as joy.

 

* Posted within Christian music videos; Bradley Walker - Victory In Jesus

[JohnD]

4 hours ago, Neighbor said:

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In the meantime my own soul may be required of me at any moment at all. And that is a good thing since the Holy Spirit turned me about from running way from God to being shown Yeshua is God  my Lord and my savior from my own sins against God

"Victory In Jesus"* is the hope certain that makes it all countable as joy.

 

* Posted within Christian music videos; Bradley Walker - Victory In Jesus

Of that I rejoice and praise HaShem!