3 - Down, 1 to Go, Then 1 to Go

[Montana Marv]

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Christ says FEAR NONE   -   Pre trib says FEAR EVERYTHING
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
 

Christ says YOU WILL SUFFER  -  Pre trib says WON'T SUFFER
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.


Christ says SOME OF YOU WILL BE CAST INTO PRISON   -   Pre trib says YOU WON'T BE HERE
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

1.  That is a altered view point.  It is you that say we fear everything,  We don't say that.  Your Scripture choice is not accurate.

2.  Christ says we will all suffer. Been going on since Pentecost, what's new.  You have given no new information.  Since Christ suffered, we also will suffer.

3.  Believers have gone to prison since Pentecost, what's new.

Only difference back then was no A/C.  When the 70th Week begins A/C arrives.  It becomes a one world system.

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Christ says BE FAITHFUL UNTO DEAD   -  Pre trib says YOU WILL NOT SUFFER DEATH YOU WILL BE CAUGHT AWAY

Christ says THEN I WILL GIVE THEE A CROWN OF LIFE  -  Pre trib says YOU GET A CROWN OF LIFE FOR WHAT OTHERS DO

Jesus says WE ARE ONE BODY  -  Pre trib says GOD WILL DIVIDE THE BODY

Peter says God is NOT a respecter of persons  -  Pre trib says God will treat ONE GENERATION differently THAN ALL OTHERS

It is written WE WILL SUFFER TRIBULATION  -  Pre trib says 'ONLY SO MUCH', so 'GREAT' TRIBULATION, NO WAY

1.  1 The 4:17 - says those Alive in Christ will meet the Dead in Christ and Christ in the air (Harpozo)

2.  Where did you pick this garbage up from.

3.  Yes we are one body,  Christ brings up His Bride first, then those who remain (Mormons, JW's , fence sitters can work their salvation out later.

4.  Jesus Christ will take His Bride First,  Then after the 70th Week God allows Israel to arise and receive their inheritance. Land

5.  We Pre-Tribbers have been suffering persecution for the past 2000 years.  Give the Church a Break, a 7 year honeymoon will be nice.

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

WHAT WERE THE FIRST WORDS JESUS SAID?  DON'T BE DECEIVED.

Now who is deceived.  You say we are; We say you might be

Do I need to go on.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Montana Marv]

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

THEY ARE ALL HERE WHEN BUYING AND SELLING AND TAKING THE MARK OF THE BEAST IS PROHIBITED. 

THEY ARE TALKING. 

Yes if they are together waiting for the Bridegroom, the A/C has not arrived and it is still pre 70th Week.  The Five foolish are still able to go the store and buy oil, but then they return to where they were waiting and find out they missed the boat.  So one must be watching and waiting now, not 7 years from now.

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

HOW CAN THE WISE BE TELLING THE FOOLISH TO GO BUY AND SELL

                                   IF THEY ARE NOT HERE WHEN BUYING AND SELLING IS A PROBLEM?  

Scripture says they were together.  There is still buying and selling, the buying and selling problem comes after the A/C arrives.

The Body (Church) five wise virgins are intermingled with a lot of other cults, the foolish (Mormons, J.w's some Catholics, other fringe cults)  These are some who must work out their salvation, the Holy Spirit is gone.

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Pre trib USE WISE AND FOOLISH but what escapes is ALL THE VIRGINS ARE PRESENT ON THE EARTH

                  SO HOW COULD THE WISE HAVE BEEN 'PRE TRIB RAPTED' WHEN THEY ARE IN THE THICK OF IT?   

We are all in the thick of it now.  Just waiting for the clock to start ticking for the 70th Week.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

1.  That is a altered view point.  It is you that say we fear everything,  We don't say that.  Your Scripture choice is not accurate.

No, it is what all of us who don't believe in the theory are always told.  DON'T GET LEFT BEHIND it's beheadings for everyone.  The tribulation is going to BE GREAT so GOD wouldn't do that to the 'church', right?  ISNT THAT WHY there is a pre trib rapture, to ESCAPE?   

TO BE KEPT FROM IT ALL CAUSE IT'S GOING TO NOT JUST BE TRIB BUT GREAT TRIB. Apparently, PAULS 30 years were ok but 3 1/2 years would be asking just TOO much for the final generation.    

 

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

2.  Christ says we will all suffer. Been going on since Pentecost, what's new.  You have given no new information.  Since Christ suffered, we also will suffer.

Then why the PRE TRIB?  BEEN going on since BEFORE PENTECOST, no need to take that any further.   Why would I need to give any new information NO ONE HAS YET BEEN ABLE to give ANYTHING but speculation from PRE TRIB.  

 

 

3 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

Only difference back then was no A/C.  When the 70th Week begins A/C arrives.  It becomes a one world system.

You don't think GOD sending the two witnesses and us having the HOLY SPIRIT is more powerful than Satan? 

Didn't Jesus GIVE US POWER OVER ALL OUR ENEMIES? SHOULDN'T WE BE HERE TO USE IT?  Doesn't losing our lives save it?  

 

3 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

1.  1 The 4:17 - says those Alive in Christ will meet the Dead in Christ and Christ in the air (Harpozo)

SURE DID but HE IS coming as LORD OF LORD AND KING OF KINGS AND is not going back to heaven.  

 

3 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

2.  Where did you pick this garbage up from.

You mean, how do I tell between what is written and what is PUT FORTH like it is written when it isnt. 


PROVE ME WRONG. 

SHOW ME ONE VERSE THAT SAYS CHRIST IS COMING FOR THE CHURCH BEFORE THE TRIB.  

3 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

3.  Yes we are one body,  Christ brings up His Bride first, then those who remain (Mormons, JW's , fence sitters can work their salvation out later.

WHICH BRIDE?  Or is that just another 'conclusion'?   ONLY BRIDE I read of is in the NEW HEAVEN AND NEW EARTH.  That is over 1000 years off and it is after the GWTJ WHEN all that are left are saved.    AGAIN, PROVE IT WITH GODS WORDS IF POSSIBLE.  Should be getting that ALREADY DID excuse soon.  











 

 

3 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

4.  Jesus Christ will take His Bride First,  Then after the 70th Week God allows Israel to arise and receive their inheritance. Land

Yet another CONCLUSION.  PROVE ME WRONG show WHERE IT IS WRITTEN.  WE can do this forever and one thing will remain TRUE, there is NOT ONE VERSE WHERE GOD SAYS.  NOT ONE.  

 

3 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

5.  We Pre-Tribbers have been suffering persecution for the past 2000 years.  Give the Church a Break, a 7 year honeymoon will be nice.

 EVERYONE ELSE COULD TAKE IT but not

THE VERY VERY SPECIFIC GROUP OF BELIEVERS WHO BELIEVE RIGHT BEFORE THE 70TH WEEK?  Pre tribbers only been around last 100 years or so.  THE BOOK OF DANIEL REMAINED CLOSED TILL THE LAST DAYS.  SO somebody is LYING.


And like I said, show me a wedding BEFORE THE 70TH WEEK.  

 

3 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

Now who is deceived.  You say we are; We say you might be

Do I need to go on.

I am just looking for a START.  A SINGLE VERSE that is a SOLID FOUNDATION on which to build.  Can you believe it, THAT IS JUST TOO MUCH TO ASK.  

Everyone comes back with feasts and parables and harvests and being kept from and not suffering Gods WRATH all which are explained IN WRITING, IN THE WORDS OF GOD how IT IS DONE ON EARTH negating the need for a PRE TRIB and

not one single verse THAT CAN'T BE TAKEN IN ANOTHER WAY.  How do we know the dead will rise?  IT IS WRITTEN THE DEAD WILL RISE

How do we know THE HEAVENS OPEN UP AND THE TWO witnesses RISE?  IT IS WRITTEN

How do we know Christ will come pre trib?  BECAUSE MEN KEEP TELLING US HE DOES FOR THIS REASON AND THAT REASON AND THE OTHER REASON

 

3 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

Yes if they are together waiting for the Bridegroom, the A/C has not arrived and it is still pre 70th Week.

OF COURSE THE A/C HAS ARRIVED

AND THE IMAGE SET UP

BECAUSE THAT IS WHEN THE MARK is needed TO BUY AND SELL. 


WHY would Christ leave the foolish virgins if they DIDN'T HAVE THE MARK THAT PREVENTS THEM FROM GOING?  That makes no sense.  

3 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

The Body (Church) five wise virgins are intermingled with a lot of other cults, the foolish (Mormons, J.w's some Catholics, other fringe cults)  These are some who must work out their salvation, the Holy Spirit is gone.

WHAT are you talking about?   IT HAS TO DO WITH TAKING THE MARK OF THE BEAST.  THE BUYING AND SELLING
 

11And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Edited March 23, 2023 by DeighAnn

[Montana Marv]

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

PROVE ME WRONG. 

SHOW ME ONE VERSE THAT SAYS CHRIST IS COMING FOR THE CHURCH BEFORE THE TRIB.  

There is no verse anywhere in Scripture which gives a hint into when the Bridegroom comes, Jesus says only the Father knows.  Hundreds which refer to the 2nd Coming.  But none anywhere for the Harpozo.  Description, yes, timing no.  So a post-trib position does not float.  I follow how the ancient wedding ceremony comes about.

 

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

14And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Will you be one of these.  I will be gone.

 

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Will you be part of "all" in this verse.  I will be gone.

 

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

OF COURSE THE A/C HAS ARRIVED

AND THE IMAGE SET UP

BECAUSE THAT IS WHEN THE MARK is needed TO BUY AND SELL. 

We can freely buy and sell now, all the way up to the 70th Week.  I still buy things now, charge or pay cash.  Been doing it for decades. Nothing has changed yet. The five foolish have ample time to buy and sell in this present environment. No mention of them having any mark in those Scriptures given. It says at that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins... who went out to meet the Bridegroom.  Christ does not know these anyway, they end up in the LOF.

Which is more conducive of the "kingdom of heaven is like" ...  The time we live in now, or the time of the A/C.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Montana Marv]

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

No, it is what all of us who don't believe in the theory are always told.  DON'T GET LEFT BEHIND it's beheadings for everyone.  The tribulation is going to BE GREAT so GOD wouldn't do that to the 'church', right?  ISNT THAT WHY there is a pre trib rapture, to ESCAPE?   

TO BE KEPT FROM IT ALL CAUSE IT'S GOING TO NOT JUST BE TRIB BUT GREAT TRIB. Apparently, PAULS 30 years were ok but 3 1/2 years would be asking just TOO much for the final generation.    

 

 No, it is a promise,,, Rev 3:10  Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth.  Who are those who will be living on earth to be tested at this time.  Not me I am gone.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[truth7t7]

On 3/21/2023 at 3:24 PM, Montana Marv said:

 

 1 Thes 4:16,17  Harpozo means to snatch away, or aggressively snatch away.  In no way is the event describing a Resurrection (for both dead and alive go up).  This is describing the Bridegroom calling His Bride home to be with Him.  We have already been Crucified with Him, buried in his Baptism, and Raised with Him (Resurrected)  Those Dead in Christ and those Alive in Christ are aggressively taken up.

Then 1 to Go

We will return with Him at the Second Coming. 

In Christ

Montana Marv

Your claim is "False" 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 is (The Last Day) bodily resurrection

"The Dead In Christ Shall Rise First"

1. Is a resurrection of the believer seen in 1 Thess 4:15-17 below, 100% Yes!

2. Does this resurrection take place on the (Last Day) as Jesus Christ taught below in John 6:39-40, 100% Yes!

3. Is the (Last Day) the time of final judgement as Jesus Christ taught in John 12:48 below, 100% Yes!

Many deny the truth of Gods words below, that are simple, clear, and very easy to understand.

(THE SECOND COMING, LAST DAY RESURRECTION)

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17KJV

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

(THE LAST DAY RESURRECTION)

John 5:28-29KJV

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

(THE LAST DAY JUDGEMENT)

John 12:48KJV

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

[truth7t7]

On 3/21/2023 at 3:24 PM, Montana Marv said:

We have already been Crucified with Him, buried in his Baptism, and Raised with Him (Resurrected)  Those Dead in Christ and those Alive in Christ are aggressively taken up.

Then 1 to Go

We will return with Him at the Second Coming. 

In Christ

Montana Marv

It appears you deny a future bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ? 

[Selah7]

Me?  I can’t go for the pretrib stuff.  Why? because Jesus, the Savior of the world and the King of kings came and will come only two times—In the first advent, He came as a little babe born in Bethlehem.  In the second, He will come riding a white horse and with a rod of iron.  

Jesus returns at the seventh trump, the last trump, AFTER Satan has been standing in Jerusalem claiming he is God.  Jesus Christ IS NOT returning until AFTER the great apostasy (falling away) and AFTER Satan “that man of sin” who comes at the sixth trump.

Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

- 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (KJV)

s e l a h

 

[DeighAnn]

8 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

here is no verse anywhere in Scripture which gives a hint into when the Bridegroom comes, Jesus says only the Father knows.  Hundreds which refer to the 2nd Coming.  But none anywhere for the Harpozo.  Description, yes, timing no.  So a post-trib position does not float.  I follow how the ancient wedding ceremony comes about.

You are Abrahams seed, right? Joint heirs of the promises?   Just want to make sure you don't try the THATS FOR THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL not the church thing


1And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

2Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear ye the word of the LORD;

3Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing!

4O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts.

5Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD.

6They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The LORD saith: and the LORD hath not sent them: and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word.

7Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The LORD saith it; albeit I have not spoken?

8Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord GOD.

9And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD.


I rebuke this teaching and pray (second time today) that this hold true here

"One thousand shall flee at the rebuke of one; at the rebuke of five shall ye flee: till ye be left as a beacon upon the top of a mountain, and as an ensign on an hill." Isaiah 30:17 KJV

and I pray for another 3 who have Gods truth to stand also.  (know of another one already)