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[Montana Marv]

6 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Your claim is "False" 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 is (The Last Day) bodily resurrection

"The Dead In Christ Shall Rise First"

1. Is a resurrection of the believer seen in 1 Thess 4:15-17 below, 100% Yes!

2. Does this resurrection take place on the (Last Day) as Jesus Christ taught below in John 6:39-40, 100% Yes!

3. Is the (Last Day) the time of final judgement as Jesus Christ taught in John 12:48 below, 100% Yes!

Many deny the truth of Gods words below, that are simple, clear, and very easy to understand.

(THE SECOND COMING, LAST DAY RESURRECTION)

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17KJV

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

(THE LAST DAY RESURRECTION)

John 5:28-29KJV

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

(THE LAST DAY JUDGEMENT)

John 12:48KJV

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

I don't agree with any of your above time sequencing.  If one is resurrected on that last day as you suggest, those then are all idol and demon worshipers as Rev 9:21,22 suggest.

You don't know which last day which is being given,  Last day of June, Last day of August, Last day of December.  There can be a lot of last days out there.  This thread is not about your Last Day stuff.  Peddle it on some other Thread.  If you keep it up I will block you from this thread.  It is a waste of my time to read all your misinformation.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Montana Marv]

6 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

It appears you deny a future bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ? 

We have/they have already been Resurrected with Christ,  There is no future Resurrection for Believers in Christ Jesus.  We were Crucified with Christ, buried in his Baptism and Resurrected with Him.  We are there Already, all by the power of the Holy Spirit.  We were dead and now we have been made alive.  We are just waiting to go to the Fathers house with the Bridegroom whom does not set His feet here on earth, but we meet him in the air.  A retrieval yes, coming no.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Montana Marv]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

You are Abrahams seed, right? Joint heirs of the promises?   Just want to make sure you don't try the THATS FOR THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL not the church thing

I am not of Issac's seed, and not of Jacobs seed.  The Abrahamic Covenant is threefold.  Abraham is promised a people (those of Israel and Jacob), also a Land, an earthy inheritance. Then a Blessing which is Jesus Christ.  We only have access to Abraham through Jesus.  The first two are only for Israel.  They were promised an earthly inheritance, We as Believers in Christ have been promised a Heavenly inheritance.

The rest of what you posted has no relevance to the subject matter.  All it says is, if I do not believe what you believe, I am doomed.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Montana Marv]

6 hours ago, Selah7 said:

Me?  I can’t go for the pretrib stuff.  Why? because Jesus, the Savior of the world and the King of kings came and will come only two times—In the first advent, He came as a little babe born in Bethlehem.  In the second, He will come riding a white horse and with a rod of iron.  

Jesus returns at the seventh trump, the last trump, AFTER Satan has been standing in Jerusalem claiming he is God.  Jesus Christ IS NOT returning until AFTER the great apostasy (falling away) and AFTER Satan “that man of sin” who comes at the sixth trump.

Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

- 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (KJV)

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Two fatal errors I see.  One is that the Bridegroom comes in the sky/air as the Bridegroom, and him only.  The Harpozo.  Where in 1 Thes 4:16,17 do you see him coming to earth.  Not there, up in the air is where the joining takes place.

The second is believing that the 7th Trumpet is the Last Trumpet.  The 7th is only the last in the series of 7 Trumpet blasts.

I also see a third.  Satan does not come as the man of sin, that is for the second beast with the fatal wound of Rev 13.  We see later in Rev the three evils spirits come out of mouths of the Dragon/Satan, the Beast who have the fatal wound, and the False .Prophet.

Really,  Satan is the rider on the first horse (Seal), Just been kicked out of heaven.  This happens just after the A/D set up by the Beast with the fatal wound.  The A/C is in leadership position for the first 3 1/2 years, Then Satan/Dragon is in leadership position for the second 3 1/2 year period. 

That "falling away first", "apostasy" in 2 thes 2 has also been going on for the past 2000 years in the Church, just is getting worse and many of you believe we Pre-tribbers are part of this group.  So we are then waiting of part two, the revealing of the man of sin A/C.

In Christ

Montana Marv

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Mr. M]

1 hour ago, Montana Marv said:

We have/they have already been Resurrected with Christ,  There is no future Resurrection for Believers in Christ Jesus.  We were Crucified with Christ, buried in his Baptism and Resurrected with Him.  We are there Already, all by the power of the Holy Spirit.  We were dead and now we have been made alive.  We are just waiting to go to the Fathers house with the Bridegroom whom does not set His feet here on earth, but we meet him in the air.  A retrieval yes, coming no.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Philippians 3:10-13 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,

[Mr. M]

59 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

I am not of Issac's seed, and not of Jacobs seed

Romans 9:6-9 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel,  nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, In Isaac your seed shall be called. That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. For this is the word of promise: At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.

Galatians 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. 

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, Montana Marv said:

I don't agree with any of your above time sequencing.  If one is resurrected on that last day as you suggest, those then are all idol and demon worshipers as Rev 9:21,22 suggest.

You don't know which last day which is being given,  Last day of June, Last day of August, Last day of December.  There can be a lot of last days out there.  This thread is not about your Last Day stuff.  Peddle it on some other Thread.  If you keep it up I will block you from this thread.  It is a waste of my time to read all your misinformation.

In Christ

Montana Marv

HOW DO YOU DO THAT?  BLOCK A PERSON FROM YOUR THREAD?

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, Montana Marv said:

I am not of Issac's seed, and not of Jacobs seed.  The Abrahamic Covenant is threefold.  Abraham is promised a people (those of Israel and Jacob), also a Land, an earthy inheritance. Then a Blessing which is Jesus Christ.  We only have access to Abraham through Jesus.  The first two are only for Israel.  They were promised an earthly inheritance, We as Believers in Christ have been promised a Heavenly inheritance.

The rest of what you posted has no relevance to the subject matter.  All it says is, if I do not believe what you believe, I am doomed.

In Christ

Montana Marv

"And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." Galatians 3:29 KJV

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, Montana Marv said:

We have/they have already been Resurrected with Christ,  There is no future Resurrection for Believers in Christ Jesus. 

I Disagree, And So does the vast majority that would be found in Christian Orthodoxy 

To deny a future bodily resurrection is against the very foundations of Christian orthodoxy

[Montana Marv]

6 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

"And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." Galatians 3:29 KJV

Which seed of Abraham do you refer to.  He was the Father of many nations, which seed.  Heirs according to promise for Believers only comes through" the Blessing" who is Jesus Christ. The seed of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, went to Egypt and became a great number,  They were given the Passover, they passed through the Red Sea as on dry land. They crossed the Jordan River and conquered Jericho.  They the People were given the Land.  King David's throne will last forever through Jesus Christ after the 2nd Coming.  We who are in Christ never were promised a Land, Who was?  We were never promised a People, the Body of Christ are both Jew and Gentile.  And this is one of the Mysteries; Gentiles can now enter in.  Our line to Abraham comes through the Blessing Jesus Christ, not through the seed of Issac and Jacob which became a people and received a Land.

In Christ

Montana Marv