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3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Don't you understand a message with 7 Wax Seals can ne be read until all 7 are taken off?

APPARENTLY NOT IN HEAVEN. 

ONE WAS OPENED AND ONE WAS READ. 

2ND WAS OPENED AND 2ND WAS READ, and so on



THERE is no doctrine in the world going to make ME believe what I read and see with my own eyes IS NOT what I read and see with my own eyes.



WHAT KIND OF DELUSION would it take, for me to read this
 

And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

2And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.


 THEN TURN around as SAY

I DIDN'T see or read that?




And the REASON I didn't see or read that is BECAUSE some one said

IT TAKES ALL the seals to be loosed, before that is possible.


YOU must HAVE ME MIXED UP WITH SOMEONE WHO BELIEVES THE PRE TRIB theory/DOCTRINE.   

 


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2 hours ago, Biblican said:

Jesus shows John very clearly that candlesticks represent churches in Rev. 1:20, therefore the two witnesses have to be churches.

4These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.


ARE you saying you believe there will be MANY MANY Christians going around the world and they will BE ABLE TO

5And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.


Surely puts a new perspective on

10Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.


Do you really believe that is TRUER to the truth than

10And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.


 


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4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

He SAW a VISION of the FUTURE........Touche. 

  

 


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On 3/31/2023 at 10:46 AM, Revelation Man said:

The Church is already in Heaven, Rev. 4:4, 5:9, 7:9-17 and Rev. 19 all proves this. Until you understand this you will never get the timelines correct.

Do I have this right?? 

RATHER THAN BELIEVE THERE IS A KINGDOM IN HEAVEN OF GOD 
complete with LIVING BEINGS of all sorts aka cherubim, creatures, elders, angels, seraphim, Archangels... 



the church appropriates the elders for the PTRD, and thinks NO ONE WILL CARE THAT IT IS 1000% MADE UP?



WE HAVE JOHN ON PATMOS

HE IS GIVEN THE REPORT CARD FOR THE CHURCH that screams out they better get it together or else IT'S SECOND DEATH for them

then
ONCE THE REPORT is done

After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

Is this when that
FAILING CHURCH ABOUT TO BE SPIT OUT is supposed to be 'raptured'?  


but how can that be???  if we could bend and twist and reshape 'time' of both heaven and earth, then maybe 

but what comes after REV 4:4 
WHICH SOME CLAIM AS SHOWING THE CHURCH?


 

1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.


4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

8And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.



THE LAMB SLAIN HAS JUST ARRIVED AND HASN'T EVEN OPENED UP THE SEALS


9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.


AREN'T WE TOLD 'THE HOLY ANGELS' ARE COMING WITH CHRIST WHEN HE RETURNS?  AREN'T WE TOLD THEY WILL BE SITTING UPON THRONES TO RULE AND REIGN WITH CHRIST ON THE LORDS DAY?  


11And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;

12Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

13And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

14And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.


SO WHAT IS MORE LIKELY? 

THOSE FROM HEAVEN WILL RETURN WITH CHRIST

OR BEFORE CHRIST EVEN FINISHED HIS WORK AND BROUGHT ABOUT THE NEW COVENANT BECOMING THE LAMB SLAIN, THE CHURCH HAD ALREADY BEEN RAPTURED UP TO HEAVEN?



THESE ARE THE THINGS WE ARE STUCK FIGHTING.  THINGS SO LUDICROUS IT BOGGLES THE MIND PUT FORTH AS GODS TRUTH.  

 


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And maybe the sixth seal is nuclear war and EVERYBODY THAT CAN are hiding in their caves  thinking the end has come but their tribulation has just begun. 


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Just now, bloom said:

And maybe the sixth seal is nuclear war and EVERYBODY THAT CAN are hiding in their caves  thinking the end has come but their tribulation has just begun. 

Whose number is 666.  What does the 6th seal speak to?  mourning and bloodshed
What does the 6th trump speak of?  What does the 6th vial speak of? 

What good would nuclear war do Satan?  or God?
 

 

11And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.


WITH JUST THAT TINY BIT OF INFORMATION we are given,

What do you think comes next?    

a. a season

What happens in that season?

a. fellow servants that should be killed are killed

During WHO'S season would their fellowservants be killed? 

a. Satans season


So WHAT would THIS be DESCRIBING? 

12And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.


That is called THE SIMPLICITY OF CHRIST.  We don't bring ANYTHING to the table when NOTHING is lacking.  




 


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In the aftermath the the defacto world government will take control and who will run it? There are still 6 trumps and 6 vials left.


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13 minutes ago, bloom said:

In the aftermath the the defacto world government will take control and who will run it? There are still 6 trumps and 6 vials left.


In what aftermath?  The gov's of today will be taken over by those who rule an hour with Satan, that kingdom will be taken over by Christ.  Am I missing something?



The vials are Gods wrath poured out. 
So, Gods wrath CAN'T be poured out UNTIL the door has shut as it falls on THEM, not us.  


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The ten toes are here now there not  going nowhere just their kings change. And Christians will still be around at the 6th vial.


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22 minutes ago, bloom said:

The ten toes are here now there not  going nowhere just their kings change. And Christians will still be around at the 6th vial.

"Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn." Matthew 13:30 KJV

same time


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