Just Coincidences? Or Time to Watch and be Ready?

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, ChristB4us said:

Revelation 22:1And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

23And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

24And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

25And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

26And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

27And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

THIS still falls under the NEW HEAVEN AND NEW EARTH there is NO ONE facing death there as death went into the lake of fire in the previous age and is gone.  

1And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

2In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

3And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:




Since everyone is already in spiritual incorruptible bodies, the HEALING must be of an emotional or mental level, I WOULD ONLY IMAGINE.   



 

4And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

5And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

 

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, ChristB4us said:

May God cause the increase for I know I cannot help you see the truth in His words.

Thank you very much for the prayer, I pray the same for you, TRULY I do.  

[ChristB4us]

5 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

How do you think he is revealed if not by the Heavens opening up? 
 

Do not confuse the revelation of that son of perdition halfway thru the great tribulation for the time when he will be destroyed by the brightness of His coming which is at the end of the great tribulation.

Edited April 5, 2023 by ChristB4us

[ChristB4us]

4 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

We don't get to ASSIGN what those of the 'first resurrection' means as it seems to have meanings to everyone that don't fit, this one no different. 

I am not assigning what that first resurrection is to mean but the scripture does in Revelation 20:5.

Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. 

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

So first resurrection as in this resurrection was to happen first after the great tribulation before the rest of the dead are raised up later on at the Great White Throne Judgment.

Since Satan is defeated and in the pit for a thousand years, that means Jesus is on earth and not meeting those saints after the great tribulation in the air which was supposed to include the living saints meeting him in the air also.

But this resurrection was about those that have gone through the great tribulation that have died.  It does not mention any of the living that would be transformed at this time.  Did you notice that?

[ChristB4us]

5 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

but one thing we NEVER SEE written is Him and the armies and the risen dead and the alive and remaining changed GOING BACK TO HEAVEN.  

THERE are NO WORDS WRITTEN speaking TO where He would go or where they go when 'going back to heaven'.   

DOES HE LEAVE THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD for an outing to pick up the 'church', and then go back there?  Wouldn't that be in disobedience to God saying SIT UNTIL..?

There are no words written of another ascension let alone of another 'descending' with the armies and the angels and alive and remaining being changed again. 

I beg to differ.

John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Where is Jesus now?  In His Father's House.

What is He doing in His Father's House?  Preparing a mansion for us to live in.

Where are we going when He comes?  To take us to His Father's House and our mansion within to live with God forever.

 

[ChristB4us]

4 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

The 2nd death has no power over anyone who 

25Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

26And whosoever liveth and believeth in Me shall never die. Believest thou this?

And my belief of who is of the First resurrection.  If when belief comes the first time it is heard and one is saved, they are of the FIRST resurrection.  

If you die, are raised up from death and eventually saved by WORKS, aka you face the 2nd death/GWTJ and get your name in book of life, you are not. 

It is true that no saved believer is in danger of having his or her name taken out of the Book of Life as that can never happen, but his/her part or his/her portion can be taken out and thus his/her place ( mansion ) in the City of God.

Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Now note below that his part is taken out of the Book of Life and that holy city, but not his name.

Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. 21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

So the rapture is about God judging His House first for why wayward believers and former believers that do not repent with His help before the Bridegroom comes, will be left behind as cast into the bed of the coming great tribulation.

I do not know why you believe you are eventually saved by works when discipleship as in running that race by looking to the author and finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily to be received by Him as that vessel unto honor in His House.  We are not saved by works but by faith in Jesus Christ and so that race has to be run in the same way as by faith in Jesus Christ as our personal Good Shepherd to help us to follow Him daily,

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

If a saved believer runs to earn salvation, then he has fallen from grace because discipleship is separate from salvation.  We need to be saved first with Jesus Christ in us so we can run that race daily by looking to Him to help us to follow Him.

Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Titus 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. 8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.

Works are good and profitable unto men but not for obtaining salvation.

Whenever you read a verse about those who endured to the end, shall be saved, it is about being saved from what is coming on the earth.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Peter+3&version=KJV

2 Peter 3rd chapter at the link above as an example.  Quotes below.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. 18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

The above warning and exhortation and the ones below do not apply towards the end of the great tribulation when the beast is waging war on the saints.  Both describe a time when it is about being found abiding in Him before He comes.

Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. 34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. 35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

No believer will be overcharged for the cares of this life at the end of the great tribulation and so this warning is for us now in these latter days.

[ChristB4us]

5 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

23And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

24And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

25And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

26And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

27And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

THIS still falls under the NEW HEAVEN AND NEW EARTH there is NO ONE facing death there as death went into the lake of fire in the previous age and is gone.  

1And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

2In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

3And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

Since everyone is already in spiritual incorruptible bodies, the HEALING must be of an emotional or mental level, I WOULD ONLY IMAGINE.  

4And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

5And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

Well since it is the Book of Revelation, and we prophesy in part and know in part, I can give pause that God may still permit His people to continue to give birth for why there would be a need for the tree of life for the healing of the nations since they cannot die any more after the Great White Throne Judgement, but mayhap accidents and whatever could still happen for why the tree of life is needed.

But after the great tribulation and before that Great White Throne Judgment, the resurrected saints that went through the great tribulation and the generations following them can die a physical death, especially when Satan is loosed from the pit after a thousand year reign of Christ on earth.

 

 

[truth7t7]

36 minutes ago, ChristB4us said:

I am not assigning what that first resurrection is to mean but the scripture does in Revelation 20:5.

Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. 

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

So first resurrection as in this resurrection was to happen first after the great tribulation before the rest of the dead are raised up later on at the Great White Throne Judgment.

Since Satan is defeated and in the pit for a thousand years, that means Jesus is on earth and not meeting those saints after the great tribulation in the air which was supposed to include the living saints meeting him in the air also.

But this resurrection was about those that have gone through the great tribulation that have died.  It does not mention any of the living that would be transformed at this time.  Did you notice that?

There are (Two) resurrections on the (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second Death) resurrection has no power.

1.) (First Resurrection) To Life

2.) (Second Death) Resurrection To Damnation

Revelation 20:6KJV

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

Daniel 12:1-2KJV

1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 5:28-29KJV

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

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34 minutes ago, ChristB4us said:

Where are we going when He comes?  To take us to His Father's House and our mansion within to live with God forever.

Yes, it's called "New Jerusalem" in the "New Heaven and Earth"

[ChristB4us]

5 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Thank you very much for the prayer, I pray the same for you, TRULY I do.  

Thanks.  May God help us all grow in grace and in the knowledge of Him in His words in helping us to abide in Him and be willing to go when He comes.

Yep.  Believe it or not, some believers will be tempted not to go because they love this life more than leaving it to be with Jesus above to attend the Supper in Heaven.

Luke 14:15 And when one of them that sat at meat with him heard these things, he said unto him, Blessed is he that shall eat bread in the kingdom of God. 16 Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many: 17 And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready. 18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused. 19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused. 20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come. 21 So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind. 22 And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room. 23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled. 24 For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.

That is why the cares of this life in these latter days are the ones that can be a snare for saved believers rather than the persecuted and oppressed life for the believer at the end of the great tribulation.  Who can buy things and love this life more at the end of the great tribulation when under all that mark of the beast system and threats?

So the warning Jesus is giving to believers now is to be ready or else, praying that we may escape what is coming on the earth after the rapture event as that fiery calamity will destroy a third of the earth which will be the cause for the set up for the New World Order & the mark of the beast system.

Luke 21:  33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. 34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. 35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.