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[LiveWire]

28 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Do you know what the 1335 really is and when it happens? 

 ¹² Happy is the one who keeps waiting, and reaches the 1,335 days. 

 

We are Happy if we happen wait to this point, that is definitely pre-Wrath.

28 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Where is stated that these "144,000" are Preachers or Super Preachers as some say? 

We know Revelation Chapter 14 has more about the 144k, but Chapter 7 really clarifies things.

Matthew 24:

¹⁴ And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

is fulfilled in Revelation 7: (the final Great Revival)

 

¹³ Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these dressed in white robes, and where have they come from?”

I said to him, “Sir, you know.”

¹⁴ Then he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

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Notice: They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

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That is accepting God, Conversions, Being Saved, this does not happen to the Beheaded because they are not Saved just refuse the Mark and get Beheaded.

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Notice this portion “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation." 

No mention of being behead

 

The Beheaded group are found in Chapter 20:

⁴ Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. 

 

 

They Preached the Gospel, All Nations heard, the End soon came after.

 

 

[bloom]

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

God has a Bride (Israel) look in the Old Testament, it clearly states God married Israel. Jesus has a Bride, the Church, he will marry us in Heaven as Rev. 19:8 shows. 

Jacob had two brides the preferred in Rachel and the one that was forced upon him(its a shadow). God would come to know a peoples he had not known via the Gentiles, scriptures state. 

The 144,000 (3.5-5 million Jews who repent) have the Fathers name in their forehead. Israel is God the Fathers bride, Jesus is both the Messiah and a brother unto Israel, yet he is also their Lord. He was born of Mary, so he is also their brother.

David said it best, he said the Lord said unto my Lord.

Psalm 110:1 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

God is Lord, so Israel is the Bride of God also known as the Lord. 

God the Father only comes in Spirit, he sends forth the Holy Spirit to go forth conquering, thus Jesus speaks victory by the sword of the Mouth/Holy Spirit. 

These are obvious truths, they just have to be understood in full.

deflect, JESUS is GOD.

[Revelation Man]

4 hours ago, bloom said:

deflect, JESUS is GOD.

LOL, so you don't undrstand the Trinity? 

So, there is God the Father, God the Redeemer/Son, and God the Holy Spirit. All three are unique personhoods. When they created man it went like this "Let US create man in OUR image and in OUR likeness".

So, are the Father Son and Holy Spirit all one? Yes, in ESSENSE & LIKENESS, but not in OFFICE. They are all three Love, Joy, Peace, Hope, Kindness etc. but the Father has the Abundance of the Glory which is why no man can look upon the Father, but could look upon Jesus and can have the Holy Spirit live in our hearts.

Take a three trillion gallon reservoir, where every ounce of water has the exact same PHD/Chemical make-up. Take 100 gallons of that water (Jesus) pour it over your head, you will be A-OK but soaking wet. Likewise, take another 100 gallons of water (Holy Spirit) and pour that over your head, again you will be soaked, but not hurt. Now, take the whole Three Trillion Gallons (God the Father) of water and pour it over your head and you will surly die. God the Father has the Abundance of the Glory. The Essence of God the Father can be seen in Jesus and the Holy Spirit, but the Full Glory resides with the Father. The 70 men who opened the Ark all died, Moses looked upon the hinder part of God and turned white, no man has seen the Father, many men saw Jesus, he is the express image of the Father, but he is not God the Father, he is God the Redeemer, the Son of God.

When Jesus said "My God, my God why have you forsaken (left) me?" That was simply God having to leave the Presence of Jesus all alone on the cross, because God can not abide sin, and all of our sins were upon Jesus Christ. Jesus was speaking to the Father and Holy Spirit, not to himself brother. Jesus told the Father, not my will be done but thy will be done. Jesus is God the Redeemer. 

Edited April 16, 2023 by Revelation Man

[NConly]

3 hours ago, LiveWire said:

If we consider where year 4 on the 7 year Timeline lands in comparison to 1335 Days, that is before the Man of Sin reveals himself on the Temple Throne, the Mark/Number is issued, and War erupts.

 

Now consider this, after the Man of Sin is revealed and Mark/Number, War erupts, 144,000 Evangelists will begin preaching the Gospel of Jesus and Revival will spread and the Bible shows us "All Nations," but especially the Jews, will come to Jesus so that will be fulfilled.  But this happens long "After" 1335 Days.

 

So in this Prophecy, it's just possibly both are included since the Jews will be deceived into accepting the Antichrist before the Temple Throne and Offering Event.   That mainly leaves Christians (Gentile/Jew).

At the time the OT prophesies were written no one knew about the church; so

they could not include the Church.?

[NConly]

1 hour ago, LiveWire said:

this does not happen to the Beheaded because they are not Saved just refuse the Mark and get Beheaded.

 

1 hour ago, LiveWire said:

I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus

These two are confusing.

[Revelation Man]

4 hours ago, LiveWire said:

¹² Happy is the one who keeps waiting, and reaches the 1,335 days. 

 

We are Happy if we happen wait to this point, that is definitely pre-Wrath.

The Jews are blessed by this event, Elijah and Moses (imho its Moses) shows up to turn Israel back unto God. Daniel is basically never about Gentile Saints. The Gentile Saints are not there during the 70th week anyways, the Remnant Gentile Church is there as Rev. 12:17 confirms. It is indeed Pre Wrath, by 75 days.

4 hours ago, LiveWire said:

We know Revelation Chapter 14 has more about the 144k, but Chapter 7 really clarifies things.

 

Both mention the 144,000, but both are code for All Israel who repents, its the same as The Woman in Rev. 12, its simply every Jew who repents. So, in essence these are the Jews who flee Judea when they see the AoD, at the 1290, that is why they need to e Sealed (Saved, we Christians are SEALED by the Holy Spirit, so it means they...........Accept Jesus as their Messiah.) Then an Angel was told to hold up the four winds (Judgments) and to hurt not the Earth, Sea nor Trees until these 144,000 are protected/sealed so what hurts the Earth, Sea and Trees? The Rev. 8 Trumpet Judgments, so these "144,000" need protection from earths elements and the Judgments God will bring with an Asteroid Impact. I go go into how the 144,000 the 7000 and the 1/3 of Zechariah 13:8-9 all mean the exact same thing, All Israel who repents. God can't lie, so it can't be all three !! Unless 2 are codes.

5 hours ago, LiveWire said:

Matthew 24:

¹⁴ And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

is fulfilled in Revelation 7: (the final Great Revival)

Most everyone has conflated Rev. 7 and Matt. 24, they do go together, but not verses 4-14, that is still the Church Age, verse 14 proves this, THE END Jesus is referring unto is the 70th week, thus verses 14 is a qualifier for what must happen before the end or 70th week can come, the Gospel has to be preached unto all the world first (then after that the Church is Raptured) then the end comes, so most people do not understand that Matt. 24:4-14 is basically a survival guide for the Disciples and early Church, in this manner, do this, do this, don't do that, because..........

5 hours ago, LiveWire said:

is fulfilled in Revelation 7: (the final Great Revival)

 

¹³ Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these dressed in white robes, and where have they come from?”

I said to him, “Sir, you know.”

¹⁴ Then he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

These are Church Age Saints who come out of GREAT TRIBULATION, not THE Greatest Ever Troubles or 70th week. I have two passages that prove no one from the 70th week can be Raptured to Heaven in a bit, but no one who misses the Wedding Call can get in, remember, the doors will be closed and there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, everyone who misses the wedding call/Rapture will go through the full 70th week. They will be here for God's Wrath, and for the Anti-Christs 42 month rule, which both start at the same time, in the middle of the 70th week. What confuses people is it says they came out of great tribulation, and people do not think it through. In John 16:33 Jesus told us we would have continual tribulation on this earth so all time is tribulation, many, many, many Church members have been killed, the Church was started by Rome slaying the Church Saints who sang whilst dying, we turned Rome from a Beast (Mortal Wound) to a Conveyor Belt of the Gospel, Amen. Islam and the Moore's murdered Christians, Islam still does, the Church Age was/is Great Tribulation, that is who those Saints are in Rev. 7:9-19, NOT 70th week Saints, nor can they be via these two scriptures below:

At the 5th Seal we see they are told they must wait 42 months

Rev. 7:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

So, what ends this "Little Season" ? Well, Jesus will end the Anti-Christs 42 month rule via his second coming, only when ALL of their fellowservants have been killed in like manner will they get vengeance, so, after the Anti-Christs 42 month rule. Thus no one from the 70th week is getting Raptured to heaven, Rev. 20:4 proves this also.

Rev. 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them(us, The Church who return with Jesus), and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, AND which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark (so ALL had to be 70th week Saints here, killed by the Beast) upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they  (ONLY THEY) lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

So, in the 5th Seal we are told those Martyrs will not get vengeance until all of their brothers who were to die like they had died [at the hands of the A.C.] had also died, so no one intervenes until the Beasts 42 month rule us finished. Then in Rev. 20:4 we are told all of these being JUDGED are only judged AFTER the Second Coming, and they will not being going back to heaven like the rest of us, you know why I know this? The verse tells us ONLY THEY....Live and reign on this earth for 1000 years with Jesus as he reigns for 1000 years, Jesus only needs so many blockheads with Glorious Bodies (Smile), I assume the rest go back to help build the New Jerusalem.

Those who came out of Great Tribulation came out of Church Age Tribulation, which was indeed great tribulation, its never called the Greatest Ever Troubles by John, we have always assumed that, Lord knows I did for 30 years !! These small missteps however lead us down cul-de-sacs and cause roadblocks for us.

5 hours ago, LiveWire said:

Notice: They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

^

That is accepting God, Conversions, Being Saved, this does not happen to the Beheaded because they are not Saved just refuse the Mark and get Beheaded.

See my point? Because you do not quite get these are Church Age Saints you them jump to the above, those who are killed are the Martyrs, Satan can not kill Satan, a house divided can not stand, he's desperate to defeat God, he is not killing his own my friend, now God slays 1/3 of those who have the Mark of the east but the 200 million Army are Angels, not men. Why ese would they be delivering God's Plagues? A lot of people wrongly think these are men or Demons since Four Angels are bound in the Euphrates River, but in truth they are only bound to a DAY, YEAR, MONTH, a TIME, unto that Region. 

5 hours ago, LiveWire said:

Notice this portion “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation." 

No mention of being behead

 

True but many were killed, but more weren't. But again, all time on earth is tribulation. The 2000 some odd year Church age can also be put forth as greater than the 70th weeks 7 years, but I do not think it means that. The Church Age is great tribulation, the last 42 months is the Greatest Ever Tribulations.

5 hours ago, LiveWire said:

The Beheaded group are found in Chapter 20:

⁴ Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. 

These are the same as those seen at the 5th Seal. The indeed are not the same as those seen in Rev. 7:9-17, BUT, that is a flash up to Heaven, the 144,000 are simply the Jews Feeing Judea.

12 = fulness, 10 completion, 7 divine completion. We agree the 10 Virgin Brides represent COMPLETE Christendom right? And not just females Christians but all Christians. So..........

12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 = 144,000 or ALL Israel wo repents as in Fulness x Completion. Its a CODE just like the Woman in Rev .12.

7 x 10 x 10 x 10 = 7000 or ALL Israel who repents or Divine Completion x Completion.

Zech. 13:8-9 says that 1/3 of all end time Jews will repent and 2/3 will not repent and will die. There are 15 million Jews alive today, but only 10 million in Israel, so I say 3.5-5 million Jews will repent, male and females, not 144,000 male virgins, its just a code like the 10 female virgins are a code. God uses numbers like that. How can God save Himself 7000, have 144,000 who has the Fathers name written in their heads and also convert 5 million Jews? They are different numbers, two of them are codes, the 3rd figure (1/3) can't be a known entity until the time arrives. So, God knows how to keep His plans out of Satan's hand by using CODES, its that simple.

[LiveWire]

6 hours ago, NConly said:

At the time the OT prophesies were written no one knew about the church; so

they could not include the Church.?

Daniel, in Chapter 12, is given a vision and then told by the future Messiah to forget what he was just shown.  So the Old Testament Jews after Daniel, which was only less than 500 (483)* years away from the Messiah, would not benefit much from Chapter 12 anyways.

 

8 Now I heard, but I did not understand. So I said, ‘My Lord, what will be the outcome of these things?’

9 Then he said: “Go your way, Daniel. For the words are closed up and sealed until the time of the end.

 

Pay Attention Here: ..."For the words are closed up and sealed [[until the (time) of the end]]

 

...[[until the (time) of the end]]

It's not for the Old Testament Saints anyways, it is for US Today.   This is why what I claim has value and merit.

[MichaelSnow]

On 4/13/2023 at 11:53 AM, debrakay said:

• 'I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. ' - Luke 17:34-36

• 1 Corinthians 15:52 (KJV) - in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

• These are the verses I like to contemplate when thinking about how the Lord will make His appearance at the end of times. I am not too concerned with the details but only want my lamp lit and my oil ready for Him.   I have an awesome story about watching my husband's spirit pass from this life to the next when he died in September if anyone would like to hear about it.

1 Cor. 15 "at the last trumpet"

-Taken to judgement; "I want to be left behind"....Noah and the context. https://textsincontext.wordpress.com/2014/09/26/i-want-to-be-left-behind/

[bloom]

13 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

LOL, so you don't undrstand the Trinity? 

So, there is God the Father, God the Redeemer/Son, and God the Holy Spirit. All three are unique personhoods. When they created man it went like this "Let US create man in OUR image and in OUR likeness".

So, are the Father Son and Holy Spirit all one? Yes, in ESSENSE & LIKENESS, but not in OFFICE. They are all three Love, Joy, Peace, Hope, Kindness etc. but the Father has the Abundance of the Glory which is why no man can look upon the Father, but could look upon Jesus and can have the Holy Spirit live in our hearts.

Take a three trillion gallon reservoir, where every ounce of water has the exact same PHD/Chemical make-up. Take 100 gallons of that water (Jesus) pour it over your head, you will be A-OK but soaking wet. Likewise, take another 100 gallons of water (Holy Spirit) and pour that over your head, again you will be soaked, but not hurt. Now, take the whole Three Trillion Gallons (God the Father) of water and pour it over your head and you will surly die. God the Father has the Abundance of the Glory. The Essence of God the Father can be seen in Jesus and the Holy Spirit, but the Full Glory resides with the Father. The 70 men who opened the Ark all died, Moses looked upon the hinder part of God and turned white, no man has seen the Father, many men saw Jesus, he is the express image of the Father, but he is not God the Father, he is God the Redeemer, the Son of God.

When Jesus said "My God, my God why have you forsaken (left) me?" That was simply God having to leave the Presence of Jesus all alone on the cross, because God can not abide sin, and all of our sins were upon Jesus Christ. Jesus was speaking to the Father and Holy Spirit, not to himself brother. Jesus told the Father, not my will be done but thy will be done. Jesus is God the Redeemer. 

Right, I will never understand the Majesty of the Almighty. Till my death  I will not comprehend why God would even consider me. That still does not change the fact there's only ONE wedding of the Lamb of God.

[Revelation Man]

4 hours ago, bloom said:

Right, I will never understand the Majesty of the Almighty. Till my death  I will not comprehend why God would even consider me. That still does not change the fact there's only ONE wedding of the Lamb of God.

Yes, God has already married Israel, if you look at that section closely I say that portion is by an UNKNOWN AUTHOR, I wouldn't have used the word Lord myself, that confuses people (like you) I guess, I would have stated God/Father, because Israel is the bride of the Father, and that is why Jesus is sent back at a separate time to save Israel, they are already wed to the Father, thus they will not be invited to the wed the Lamb in Heaven, except for those Jews who come unto God during the Church Age, they, like John as seen in Rev. 4:1, will be invited to the wedding and marriage supper. 

But I do not "change" other peoples writings in order to make it fit what I would say exactly. He's still correct, the Lord is also God, as I showed, David stated the Lord said unto my Lord showing God and Jesus are both called Lord. 

We can understand God and His majesty, He left us His FULL ESSENCE, it is called the Word of God, thus Jesus was the Word of God as John 1 calls him, the word became flesh and manifested itself unto us. Most people truly do not understand the Trinity, they do not realize Jesus is God (in essence/LIKENESS) but not the fullness of His Glory. Jesus we can look upon, the Holy Spirit lives in us, God the Father could not live in your heart, His Glory shatter our earthly beings, God is Jesus in essence, but he doesn't have the Abundance of the Glory, only the Father has this. Jesus is God, but he is not the Father. 

God the Fathers Bride is Israel, God will set up a 1000 year reign in Jerusalem/Israel, and they are already married unto the Father. That is why they have His name in their foreheads.

And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

The 144,000 are simply the 3.5-5 million Jews who repent, they do not ever preach the Gospel, no where is that even hinted at, that just bad men's traditions, they need protection, they are thus protected in the Petra/Bozrah area for 1260 days. 

Jacob had two brides, the Father has a Bride as does the Jesus the Lamb or Son of God. Read the Old Testament, you will see God married Israel long ago, they are His Bride.