The tribulation saints

[Nicole W.]

2 minutes ago, farouk said:

Matthew 24.21 seems to refer to a unique period in history, not to the general tribulations of life which believers in the church today go through (John 16.33).

No it’s plain and simple:  you are following an imagination.  The  Disciples simply asked What would be the sine of his coming in the end of the age and he gave an answer he gave a sequence and a timeframe when we’re in the end, and how he would come don’t add or take away it’s very simple

[Shilohsfoal]

9 minutes ago, Nicole W. said:

The “Tribulation Saints are the “Two Witnesses”. But not two as in 1+1 but as the chosen vessels is a witness to God and God is a witness to those vessels… they are the 144,000 12 out of 12 tribes it just means chosen

You believe the two witnesses who kill and torment people for 42 months will be beaten in a synagogue?

 

¹² But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

 

I'm betting that while the saints in Israel are being beaten in the synagogues and locked up in prison or killed that not a single Israeli will lift a finger to hurt either one of those two witnesses.

[Nicole W.]

Although there are many saints martyred and persecuted and beaten past present and future…God has an appointed time for the Tribulation Two Witness Saints He will give his power and anointing….like the Apostles in the Book of Acts being the Former Rain of the Spirit these in the Tribulation will be a latter rain of the spirit God will not let anyone hurt them and will protect them for they will bring judgement in order to clean the bride of Christ  so whoever hears and repents will be saved…but the churches today have a pride so when these humble chosen of God Show up with judgment, The pastors of these churches are not gonna like it! Many are false prophets and speak in their own Authority they don’t really know the true God so they will not like the message because they will  speak with Gods authority and judgment, because he hast to wash them clean and correct the wrongs make them ready the church is in apostasy. It is falling away from the truth. If they don’t receive gods judgment, they cannot be saved. That’s why they will hate these two witnesses and will kill them But only after God protects them while they give their message that he wants them to give.  This is all right about the time where we will be caught up with Jesus, in the air at the end of the age and the first resurrection

Edited October 22, 2023 by Nicole W.

[Shilohsfoal]

16 hours ago, Nicole W. said:

Although there are many saints martyred and persecuted and beaten past present and future…God has an appointed time for the Tribulation Two Witness Saints He will give his power and anointing….like the Apostles in the Book of Acts being the Former Rain of the Spirit these in the Tribulation will be a latter rain of the spirit God will not let anyone hurt them and will protect them for they will bring judgement in order to clean the bride of Christ  so whoever hears and repents will be saved…but the churches today have a pride so when these humble chosen of God Show up with judgment, The pastors of these churches are not gonna like it! Many are false prophets and speak in their own Authority they don’t really know the true God so they will not like the message because they will  speak with Gods authority and judgment, because he hast to wash them clean and correct the wrongs make them ready the church is in apostasy. It is falling away from the truth. If they don’t receive gods judgment, they cannot be saved. That’s why they will hate these two witnesses and will kill them But only after God protects them while they give their message that he wants them to give.  This is all right about the time where we will be caught up with Jesus, in the air at the end of the age and the first resurrection

The two witnesses don't sound very humble to me.

Since the two witnesses are not persecuted during the 1260 persecution of the saints in Israel,it sounds like those who are persecuted during that time is humble.

 

Daniel 11:33-35

Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.

During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere.
And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.

 

 

 

Personally ,I believe the saints who fall to persecution are blessed.Those who are robbed,jailed and murdered during those 1260 days the two witnesses practice their authority over them who are persecuted.

Edited October 23, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[Nicole W.]

2 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

The two witnesses don't sound very humble to me.

Since the two witnesses are not persecuted during the 1260 persecution of the saints in Israel,it sounds like those who are persecuted during that time is humble.

 

Daniel 11:33-35

Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.

During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere.
And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.

 

 

 

Personally ,I believe the saints who fall to persecution are blessed.Those who are robbed,jailed and murdered during those 1260 days the two witnesses practice their authority over them who are persecuted.

Yes all who Are persecuted or murder definitely most blessed!!

[Shilohsfoal]

2 hours ago, Nicole W. said:

Yes all who Are persecuted or murder definitely most blessed!!

The saints are murdered because of their testimony of Christ and for the word of God.

Daniel 11:33

Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.

Revelation 20:4

I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

 

 

The two witnesses are killed because they just spent the last 1260 days killing and tormenting Muslims.And the Muslims overcome them and kill them.

 

Revelation 11

⁵ And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

⁶ These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

⁷ And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

⁸ And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

⁹ And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

¹⁰ And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

 

[tatwo]

On 5/1/2023 at 8:01 PM, Shilohsfoal said:

Why do those who keep God's commandments and hold fast the testimony of Jesus  not flee into the wilderness with the woman and instead remain behind with the seven headed,ten horned serpent?

Simple short answer...

Let me address this in two parts…first…”Why do those who keep God's commandments and hold fast the testimony of Jesus  not flee into the wilderness with the woman”

If one does not understand that the “man child” from verse 5 is the “remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ” from verse 17…then the argument will be never ending because of religious human reasoning and conjecture. 

If one can receive this understanding…then revelation will flow perfectly and there will be an increase in the light of the prophetic understanding of the Scriptures.

Secondly…you state…”and instead remain behind with the seven headed, ten horned serpent?” this question can be worded differently perhaps…simply because “He” is those “who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ” who was “caught up to God and His throne”…so technically they are “with God”…

So my answer to your question Shilo is...because they are at "war" with the seven headed ten horned beast...exactly as the text states.

There is more to all of this as well…