R. Hartono Posted May 8, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,937 Content Per Day: 3.07 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted May 8, 2023 1 minute ago, creativemechanic said: That's not a sensical response.The unequally yoked rule was established AFTER Hosea. Centuries after. Both correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted May 8, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 107 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,820 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 4,806 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 8, 2023 2 hours ago, creativemechanic said: That's not a sensical response.The unequally yoked rule was established AFTER Hosea. Centuries after. Well, not quite. There were several rules about the women that men should and should not marry in the Old Testament. Most were for priests, but at least one - Exodus 20:14 - applies to all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creativemechanic Posted May 8, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 414 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 1,273 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 518 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/22/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted May 8, 2023 Often times, I find people who take this stance against the rule are people who are dating or considering dating unsaved people so they attack the verse to ease their conscience. Then later they learn that God gives us rules for a reason A friend I have was once in this situation, despite having sworn off of dating unsaved men. She met one and fell in love, I warned her and she told me the man lives better than most christians she knew. She even insulted me. Time passed and same friend married guy and began griping about how he wont stop doing this and wont stop doing that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BibleWords Posted May 8, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 233 Content Per Day: 0.59 Reputation: 139 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/30/2023 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/20/1957 Share Posted May 8, 2023 On 5/6/2023 at 10:57 AM, believeinHim said: Unfortunately because of my illness, And me being an advanced aged unmarried female, An advanced aged unmarried and unwed Christian female, Unwed Christian woman, Most of my Christian female friends from home school are already married with kids of their own. This leaves no place for me to interact with women who are Christians and living, the 'normal' Christian life. This is what I want, but there is no room for me in it. Kids is not a good idea for me as I am dealing with a Serious Mental Illness. Being friends with women who are not Christians, is not a good idea for me, Because I am a Christain. I can't really lead a 'normal Christian life' with a Serious Mental Illness, And too many Christians do not understand Serious Mental Illness, as in, No, it is not demons, And it is a clinical, medical condition in the brain. I don't know what I am supposed to do, or where I am supposed to be. You will always have a friend in Jesus and there are plenty of Christians who love and will befriend those who need them. Don’t believe the lie that you are alone or unlovable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vine Abider Posted May 8, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 6 Topic Count: 201 Topics Per Day: 0.37 Content Count: 3,427 Content Per Day: 6.24 Reputation: 2,283 Days Won: 3 Joined: 10/25/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/2024 Share Posted May 8, 2023 15 hours ago, Vine Abider said: Here's an interesting discussion of just that: https://sermons.logos.com/sermons/221657-ripped-out-of-context:-unequally-yoked I have always heard this verse directly associated with marriage. What do others think? So I'm going to repost this comment and link I provided, because no one addressed it. Here's an excerpt from that article: Ripped Out of Context: Unequally Yoked 1. In verses 11, 13, and 7:2 (before and after, Paul says to the Corinthians, “Open up your hearts to us.” He wanted them to stop listening to these men who were leading them away from Christ to another Christ, to an idol… 2. It’s in this context, Paul says, “Do not be bound together with unbelievers” or “Don’t be unequally yoked with unbelievers.” He is showing them exactly who they are joining themselves with. Not with Christ. Not with His representatives. But with unbelievers… With idolaters… And they need to get away from them so that they can grow in their holiness… 3. So Paul is not saying, “Do not marry an unbeliever.” He is saying, “Stop joining your hearts to these men who are teaching you false things and leading you away from Christ into idolatry. As they listened to these men and followed them, they were joining in with these false teachers in their work. They were having fellowship with them instead of Paul and the other apostles… This is what Paul is showing them in this verse within its context… 4. So with these things said, I do want to make sure I am not misunderstood about the point that I am making. What I am saying is that I don’t believe this passage prohibits marrying a non-Christian… I am NOT saying that it is a good thing (or a wise thing) to do so… 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farouk Posted May 8, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,398 Content Per Day: 12.16 Reputation: 3,269 Days Won: 31 Joined: 11/18/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted May 8, 2023 On 5/6/2023 at 11:57 AM, believeinHim said: Unfortunately because of my illness, And me being an advanced aged unmarried female, An advanced aged unmarried and unwed Christian female, Unwed Christian woman, Most of my Christian female friends from home school are already married with kids of their own. This leaves no place for me to interact with women who are Christians and living, the 'normal' Christian life. This is what I want, but there is no room for me in it. Kids is not a good idea for me as I am dealing with a Serious Mental Illness. Being friends with women who are not Christians, is not a good idea for me, Because I am a Christain. I can't really lead a 'normal Christian life' with a Serious Mental Illness, And too many Christians do not understand Serious Mental Illness, as in, No, it is not demons, And it is a clinical, medical condition in the brain. I don't know what I am supposed to do, or where I am supposed to be. Hi @believeinHim I do love the passage about Beulah land - married unto God (Isaiah 62.4) - which can be a real blessing to all believers, whatever their individual circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted May 8, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 952 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,573 Content Per Day: 5.03 Reputation: 9,054 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted May 8, 2023 A partnership is a folly filled concept, and the only type of ship that will not float. If foolish enough to enter into one be sure to plan formally the exit from it, doing so in writing signed by all in the partnership. That includes marriage, fact never make marriage a partnership, make it a corporate endeavor with one CEO/President. An entity that has well defined articles of incorporation. Again including method of termination of the corporation basically a pre divorce settlement or "prenupt". Why when two are Christian? Because two Christians will indeed disagree and may use threat of dissolving of the union as a tool to gain leverage in an argument over the marriage. Having a "prenupt" sets the clear end and eliminates that leverage, leading to a method of resolving even serious differences between the parties without having to go to the ultimate defeat for each a divorce. A prenup is a very painful process for it really is a divorce settlement negotiation. It is so painful that once done I do think neither party involved will ever want to have to revisit it again nor execute it's terms, least not without a very determined effort to salvage the marriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted May 8, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted May 8, 2023 Why is it when God says no, man looks for a work around; a way to justify why they do so even when they are told not to? No is no, plain and simple. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOrangeCat Posted May 8, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 57 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,405 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 1,824 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/24/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted May 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Vine Abider said: So I'm going to repost this comment and link I provided, because no one addressed it. Here's an excerpt from that article: I was kind of hoping others would weigh in before I did. I feel like the article is on target because going with what comes before and after it, it feels a little out of place talking about marriage but fits in looking at the bigger picture of II Corinthians as a whole where Paul is speaking against others who were undermining him at the church in Corinth. I also see a possible echo of I Corinthians 5 in it. He spoke about a man committing incest there and told the Corinthians that to avoid wicked people entirely they'd need to leave the world (I'm tempted to go to the moon a lot these days. Anyone want to come along?), but that they had to be especially strict with regards to people who claimed to be Christians yet lived in sin. He made it pretty clear there. "Don't even eat with them." and "Expel the wicked from among you." Could Paul have been reinforcing that policy in relation to the so called "super apostles" who were undermining his position at the time he wrote II Corinthians? I couldn't really say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marathoner Posted May 8, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 71 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,132 Content Per Day: 7.07 Reputation: 13,084 Days Won: 97 Joined: 05/24/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted May 8, 2023 2 hours ago, Vine Abider said: So I'm going to repost this comment and link I provided, because no one addressed it. Here's an excerpt from that article: Ripped Out of Context: Unequally Yoked 1. In verses 11, 13, and 7:2 (before and after, Paul says to the Corinthians, “Open up your hearts to us.” He wanted them to stop listening to these men who were leading them away from Christ to another Christ, to an idol… 2. It’s in this context, Paul says, “Do not be bound together with unbelievers” or “Don’t be unequally yoked with unbelievers.” He is showing them exactly who they are joining themselves with. Not with Christ. Not with His representatives. But with unbelievers… With idolaters… And they need to get away from them so that they can grow in their holiness… 3. So Paul is not saying, “Do not marry an unbeliever.” He is saying, “Stop joining your hearts to these men who are teaching you false things and leading you away from Christ into idolatry. As they listened to these men and followed them, they were joining in with these false teachers in their work. They were having fellowship with them instead of Paul and the other apostles… This is what Paul is showing them in this verse within its context… 4. So with these things said, I do want to make sure I am not misunderstood about the point that I am making. What I am saying is that I don’t believe this passage prohibits marrying a non-Christian… I am NOT saying that it is a good thing (or a wise thing) to do so… Ah, I missed your response the first time around. I don't find any issue with it. My own stance regarding marriage is a simple one: whomever the Lord joins together, let no man or woman stand in the way. Much like how a servant falls or stands by the Lord, so too does marriage. My comments in the topic pertain to being a friend to our neighbor no matter who they are. I've pointed out how the Son of God was our friend even when we were His enemies. He blessed us, calling us to Him, and so we are called according to the blessing just as Peter wrote in the scriptures. Love our neighbor as ourselves. It's an honor to love others as Jesus Christ loves us. I can't speak for others who are defiled by what they encounter. I can only speak for myself. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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