BEWARE KING CHARLES

[teddyv]

Just now, existential mabel said:

that came to be a real road block for me in the end after years of 'saying this' i was gradually unsettled by it.  and stopped taking communion because of it...a time of 'wrestling'

Interesting. From elementary school age, it was always explained to us as that catholic meant universal. I've never considered it as referring specifically to the RCC. I can understand there can be some confusion around this though, and I've seen pastors clarify this point over the years. 

[existential mabel]

yeah but i am not 'comfortable' with it any longer...the word Catholic just conjures up ......and when the vicar (female) is quietly bringing in catholic stuff which is what started this i thought ooookkkk. maybe the Holy Spirit was giving me a 'nudge'

[JimmyB]

On 5/9/2023 at 2:27 AM, ChristB4us said:

@1to3  &  @JimmyB & @ladypeartree & @existential mabel & @other one

My former church had at one time replaced the Catholic Church with universal Church but then changed it back again.

I believe it is important to stand apart from what represent the works of darkness and say what we really mean.

Matthew 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. 36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

1 Corinthians 1:9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. 10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

1 Corinthians 10:15I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say.

2 Corinthians 2:17For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

2 Corinthians 3:2 I told you before, and foretell you, as if I were present, the second time; and being absent now I write to them which heretofore have sinned, and to all other, that, if I come again, I will not spare: 3 Since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking in me, which to you-ward is not weak, but is mighty in you. 4 For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.

2 Corinthians 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak; 14 Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.

2 Corinthians 7:2 Receive us; we have wronged no man, we have corrupted no man, we have defrauded no man. 3 I speak not this to condemn you: for I have said before, that ye are in our hearts to die and live with you. 4 Great is my boldness of speech toward you, great is my glorying of you: I am filled with comfort, I am exceeding joyful in all our tribulation.

2 Corinthians 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. 4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: 5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; 6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

2 Corinthians 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. 6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. 7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

1 Corinthians 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

I believe that most of us own and read the Bible.  What is your point?

[teddyv]

4 hours ago, existential mabel said:

yeah but i am not 'comfortable' with it any longer...the word Catholic just conjures up ......and when the vicar (female) is quietly bringing in catholic stuff which is what started this i thought ooookkkk. maybe the Holy Spirit was giving me a 'nudge'

Again, it's interesting how some react to that and although you did not give many details on your recent(?) experience, I think I can understand the caution. Out of curiosity, does your church hold the Apostles' Creed as one of it's main doctrinal creeds? I think most church denominations usually hold to at least the Apostles', Nicene, and Athanasian.

I assume the Holy Spirit will nudge people on an individual basis, because I have never even had a moment that reciting the Apostles' Creed makes me uncomfortable (and we recite it during worship services at least a few times through the year).

[other one]

1 hour ago, JimmyB said:

I believe that most of us own and read the Bible.  What is your point?

that is a good question.

[existential mabel]

20 hours ago, teddyv said:

Again, it's interesting how some react to that and although you did not give many details on your recent(?) experience, I think I can understand the caution. Out of curiosity, does your church hold the Apostles' Creed as one of it's main doctrinal creeds? I think most church denominations usually hold to at least the Apostles', Nicene, and Athanasian.

I assume the Holy Spirit will nudge people on an individual basis, because I have never even had a moment that reciting the Apostles' Creed makes me uncomfortable (and we recite it during worship services at least a few times through the year).

it was the holy communion that i was referring to. and yes the creed i think it was the nicene creed.

[ChristB4us]

22 hours ago, JimmyB said:

I believe that most of us own and read the Bible.  What is your point?

@other one

Stated at the top of the post before providing scripture, running away from that point to not taking credit for that truth should you all receive that truth from the Lord.

My former church had at one time replaced the Catholic Church with universal Church but then changed it back again.

I believe it is important to stand apart from what represent the works of darkness and say what we really mean.