God in Hell

[Guest PilgrimSteve]

Hell is God

[BlindSeeker]

mark l malone,

If you would answer the questions as they are asked of you then your answers would be clearer

It seems you assume others already know your own thoughts and therefore it is suffice for you to be vague.

What about the other nine (9) questions besides #6? I assume that is the one (1) you were answering.

[bgoalie35]

mark l malone,

If you would answer the questions as they are asked of you then your answers would be clearer

It seems you assume others already know your own thoughts and therefore it is suffice for you to be vague.

What about the other nine (9) questions besides #6? I assume that is the one (1) you were answering.

mark,

I respect you and I enjoy reading your posts, so I don't want to sound critical or offend you here. But I agree with BlindSeeker, that your posts are often a little vague ( or maybe I am just a little dense )

If you could flesh out your arguments a little more, it would be greatly appreciated. As I said, you often have very interesting things to say and I enjoy reading them.

[BlindSeeker]

mark l malone,

If you would answer the questions as they are asked of you then your answers would be clearer

It seems you assume others already know your own thoughts and therefore it is suffice for you to be vague.

What about the other nine (9) questions besides #6? I assume that is the one (1) you were answering.

I beleive, if you look back at your posts, and the questions you gave me----you answered your own questions yourself----

now tell me, how silly and futile would it be for me to address questions that you already have your own answers for.

No Mark. I did not answer my own questions. I find it silly that you think I did. Do you need me to repost them for you . . . or is it futile for me to think you would answer them?

Now for the rest of your post which has maintained your normal vagueness.

The Tanakh(ot) saints were part of the same body you and I belong to. the Ecclesia/qahal.

we dont belong to a new testament church---that is a imagined figmented body of orthodoxies imagination.

Galatians 3 clearly answers that topic.

Jesus' Bosom---which is inbetween the Fathers arms, is what the OT saints that resurrected the day Jesus died, were carried away into glory in.

now----concerning the spirits in prison the days before Noah....

they are part of the 1/3 of the "stars" that fell to earth, and go roaming thru the earth with their "leader"...(book of Job, and Jesus explanations of demons and the gospel events in which he cast them out)

notice only 8 PEOPLE WERE SAVED----out of the flood.

and 4 of those that were saved---WERE DAUGHTERS OF MEN!!!!

jewish study on sheol is recommended.

I would love to see you in a court room . . .

It would be appreciated if you just answered the questions put forth to you with clear, progressive answers and avoid this fragmented and disjointed we-should-automatically-know-whatcha-mean method of yours.

[penfold]

here comes simple Jenni again!

Can't cope with long winded thee's and thou's so here it is as I understand it.

God made Hell to punnish the devil and all his agents.

It wasnt planned to put people in there.

The devil isnt in there yet- he isnt there until the end of days after the judgement. he is roaming the Earth

The people who reject Christ get their resurrection bodies and face eternal torment in Hell because it is a place where God isnt.

So Hell is where God isnt.

[BlindSeeker]

there is no method to spiritual truth.

There is a method to spiritual truth. It

[apothanein kerdos]

Hell, by definition, is the absense of God.

[ice--eyes]

Hell, by definition, is the absense of God.

but if God is omnipresent, doesn't that mean that He's in hell too?

[apothanein kerdos]

Hell, by definition, is the absense of God.

but if God is omnipresent, doesn't that mean that He's in hell too?

No. Omnipresent is refering to His presence on this metaphysical level. In essence while He holds the ability to be present on any ontological level He chooses not to. He is everywhere at once in our reality but hell is on a different realm of reality, on in which He has purposefully removed His presence.

[dgolvach]

If God's plan was not for man to end up in the hot place, what was it? This is the part I struggle with. God see's the future. God knew full well that inspite of his plan of salvation, most men would reject him and end up in an everlasting misery full of weeping, screaming, gnashing of teeth ect. ect. Why create us in the first place? Why even create such a unmerciful place? Why can't a rejecting soul just be vanished and no-longer exist. That would seem more merciful. Just back to what he or she was before their conception. Nothing. No pain. No pleasure. No awareness of existance. I don't even understand a perpetual eternal punishment. Even the worst sinners have a finite amount of sin due to the fact that they have a finite amount of life. Eternity is infinite. Where is the measure? What purpose does Hell serve? Vengence? The standard answer is " we have a choice". Not everyone or even most who have lived on this planet have ever even heard the plan of Salvation. Even if they did, do they really deserve everlasting screaming and pain that is not even describable? Day and night forever and ever? No love? No comfort? No compassion? Loneliness. Fear. Horror. This will go on for trillions of years and still not even be started?

I'm not saying Hell is not for real but I do believe that these are fair questions.

Dan