God in Hell

[BlindSeeker]

If God's plan was not for man to end up in the hot place, what was it? This is the part I struggle with. God see's the future. God knew full well that inspite of his plan of salvation, most men would reject him and end up in an everlasting misery full of weeping, screaming, gnashing of teeth ect. ect. Why create us in the first place? Why even create such a unmerciful place? Why can't a rejecting soul just be vanished and no-longer exist. That would seem more merciful. Just back to what he or she was before their conception. Nothing. No pain. No pleasure. No awareness of existance. I don't even understand a perpetual eternal punishment. Even the worst sinners have a finite amount of sin due to the fact that they have a finite amount of life. Eternity is infinite. Where is the measure? What purpose does Hell serve? Vengence? The standard answer is " we have a choice". Not everyone or even most who have lived on this planet have ever even heard the plan of Salvation. Even if they did, do they really deserve everlasting screaming and pain that is not even describable? Day and night forever and ever? No love? No comfort? No compassion? Loneliness. Fear. Horror. This will go on for trillions of years and still not even be started?

I'm not saying Hell is not for real but I do believe that these are fair questions.

Dan

When David sinned and committed adultery with Bathsheba, which was only the tip of the iceberg (so to say). To hide his sin he had her husband killed (who was such an honorable man he would not go home and sleep with his wife while his brothers were at war).

Not only did he have Uriah killed, but all the other men who were sent into the heat of the battle were killed as well. David sinned against Bathsheba (for I believe any women married to such a man would have loved him and that she was intimidated by David

[dgolvach]

If God's plan was not for man to end up in the hot place, what was it? This is the part I struggle with. God see's the future. God knew full well that inspite of his plan of salvation, most men would reject him and end up in an everlasting misery full of weeping, screaming, gnashing of teeth ect. ect. Why create us in the first place? Why even create such a unmerciful place? Why can't a rejecting soul just be vanished and no-longer exist. That would seem more merciful. Just back to what he or she was before their conception. Nothing. No pain. No pleasure. No awareness of existance. I don't even understand a perpetual eternal punishment. Even the worst sinners have a finite amount of sin due to the fact that they have a finite amount of life. Eternity is infinite. Where is the measure? What purpose does Hell serve? Vengence? The standard answer is " we have a choice". Not everyone or even most who have lived on this planet have ever even heard the plan of Salvation. Even if they did, do they really deserve everlasting screaming and pain that is not even describable? Day and night forever and ever? No love? No comfort? No compassion? Loneliness. Fear. Horror. This will go on for trillions of years and still not even be started?

I'm not saying Hell is not for real but I do believe that these are fair questions.

Dan

When David sinned and committed adultery with Bathsheba, which was only the tip of the iceberg (so to say). To hide his sin he had her husband killed (who was such an honorable man he would not go home and sleep with his wife while his brothers were at war).

Not only did he have Uriah killed, but all the other men who were sent into the heat of the battle were killed as well. David sinned against Bathsheba (for I believe any women married to such a man would have loved him and that she was intimidated by David

[dgolvach]

"Forgive them Father...for they know not what they do". This is the part of scripture I do understand. I am a very sinful man but I do have one strong point. I am very good at forgiving others for sins committed against me. Very hurtful and destructive sins. I do NOT wish for them to burn in Hell. I do not seek vengence or compinsation. This is not a boast, rather a self observation. The rest of me is quite wicked at times but I do love and care about others including my enemies. So if I have any spiritual success in my life, it would be that I can forgive and not grind an axe. I understand forgiveness. I'm not sure God will show me the same on judgement day. Not because I haven't asked but because I have bad habbits and no matter how much I ask the Creator to change me, "the song remains the same". I have not repented of everything and I doubt I will. I can only hope that he has the same capacity to forgive as this mere lowly little human worm creation of his does. "Forgive our trespasses as we for give those who tresspass against us". That I do understand but Hell?????????????????????????????????????????????? I don't comprehend the neccessity for it even though I believe it exists. Sorry...just the truth.

Peace

Dan

[penfold]

May God bless you Dan for being a humble, honest before God person

Being able to forgive others is truly a gift from the Lord.

I can now understand why you find this thing about hell so tricky because you want the best for all, you dont want anyone to suffer unduly and that is commendable.

In the Bible it says people who are unable to know the gospel truths about Jesus because they arent the age of understanding or ever hear the news or are mentally impared get their own angel to stand in the gap on their behalf before God.

The other thing I think it is important to think about is that Jesus lived on Earth as a man so he knows how HARD it is to be human with sin everywhere and even in the depths of abuse and horrible stuff still not to sin is nearly impossible and he is able to relay that to the Father.

We are told in the word that Jesus stands for us and defends us before God.

I don't know if it helps you to grasp but God cannot look upon sin and the Bible says even when the non-Christians are to be judged they still jeer and mock God- even in the days when you would think they would be most sorry.

One more thing before I go. God is outside of time. The blood of jesus is spread fresh all the time and that blood washes your sins because he sees your repentance at the same time. He sees everything at the same time from Noah to the man on the moon to the next 50 years at the same time.

Keep humble and look to the Lord for everything.

[BlindSeeker]

We don't comprehend because we haven't the ablity to but we will be judged as if we do?

Dan

Dan,

Total comprehension is not a prerequisite for final judgment. The Holy Spirit has the ability to convict everyone of sin . . . and He does.

Everyone who will be judged does come to a place of accountability. This is because they are persuaded that there is sin in their lives and that they are out of sync with righteousness. It is only those who respond with grief and pursue a remedy that are met by the grace of God and healed.

But those that resist and continue to reject righteousness are guilty of trodding under foot the Son of God and will be judge despite the all attempted interventions of the Spirit of Grace.

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment

[dgolvach]

We don't comprehend because we haven't the ablity to but we will be judged as if we do?

Dan

Dan,

Total comprehension is not a prerequisite for final judgment. The Holy Spirit has the ability to convict everyone of sin . . . and He does.

Everyone who will be judged does come to a place of accountability. This is because they are persuaded that there is sin in their lives and that they are out of sync with righteousness. It is only those who respond with grief and pursue a remedy that are met by the grace of God and healed.

But those that resist and continue to reject righteousness are guilty of trodding under foot the Son of God and will be judge despite the all attempted interventions of the Spirit of Grace.

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment

[dgolvach]

I don't know if I have ever met anyone that does not resist at times.

Dan

[BlindSeeker]

I don't know if I have ever met anyone that does not resist at times.

Dan

True. But it the continual resistance to the longsuffering of God that is eternally fatal.

[dgolvach]

those who teach losing salvation deserve the punishment for those destined for it...

for its not the Doctrine of Christ.

Heb 10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God;

Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)

Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

God works through us.

instead of learning about hell, learn about life eternal.

Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

let hell worry about itself.

its not for us.

OK.... This probably wouldn't be a bad alternative to thinking about hell so much.

Dan

[BlindSeeker]

those who teach losing salvation deserve the punishment for those destined for it...

for its not the Doctrine of Christ.

Does that apply to Peter?

2Pe 2:20 For if after

they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ

, they are again entangled therein, and overcome,

the latter end is worse with them than the beginning

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21

For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Heb 10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God;

Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)

Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

God works through us.

instead of learning about hell, learn about life eternal.

Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

let hell worry about itself.

its not for us.

No third party can pluck a believer out of God's hand . . . we can let go and leave.