Could God have forgiven and saved Judas?

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

Just posting part 3 on Judas, just what I have if it will help anyone

Luke 6:16 Judas Iscariot, which also was the traitor.

Judas said,

Mat 26:15 What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you?

And they covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver.

Deut 27:25 Cursed be he that taketh reward to slay an innocent person.

John 13:11 For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean.

Jesus said none of them is lost but one 

John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost,

but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

Similarly 1 Cr 11:23-26 speaking of the night Jesus was betrayed here Paul adds

1Cr 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

Besides Judas being called a traitor

Judas is called "a thief" (John 12:6)

Duet 24:7 If a man be found stealing any of his brethren of the children of Israel, and maketh merchandise of him, or selleth him; then that thief shall die; and thou shalt put evil away from among you.

Shown in Judas

Mat 26:15 What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver.

And then if you follow the psalms concerning Judas here

Psalm 109:7 When he shall be judged, let him be condemned:

Mat 27:3 a Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw  that he was condemned repented himself, (divided)

Psalm 109:11 Let the extortioner catch all that he hath

Mat 27:3 b and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders

Mat 23:25 ... for within they are full of extortion and excess.

After he brings again the silver he says

Mat 27:4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood.

Duet 27:5 Cursed be he that taketh reward to slay an innocent person. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Back to the Psalm

Psalm 109:12 Let there be none to extend mercy unto him

Mat 5:27 And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.

Psalm 109:8 a .... Let his days be few.

Mat 27:5 ... Judas went and hanged himself.

Acts 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate,

Even theirs...

Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Psalm 109:8 b  ... and let another take his office.

Acts 1:26 ... and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

Psalm 109:5 And they have rewarded me evil for good, and hatred for my love.

And in Proverbs

Proverbs 17:14 Whoso rewardeth evil for good, evil shall not depart from his house.

Judas Iscariot = "men of Kerioth"

Amos 2:2 But I will send a fire upon Moab, and it shall devour the palaces of Kerioth: and Moab shall die

Confirms in the Psalms regarding the iniquity of his fathers

Psalm 109:14 Let the iniquity of his fathers be remembered with the LORD; and let not the sin of his mother be blotted out. 15 Let them be before the LORD continually, that he may cut off the memory of them from the earth.

In the above speaks of his fathers (or of those before him) and below speaks of his children (them who come after him) and the desolate places

Psalm 109:9-10 Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow.
Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg: let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places.

This was said of Cain as well (who also shew innocent blood)

Gen 4:14 I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth,

Same here in regards to Isreal, the words caused to "wander" mean the same

Numbers 32:13 And the LORD'S anger was kindled against Israel, and he made them wander in the wilderness forty years, until all the generation, that had done evil in the sight of the LORD, was consumed.

Just as Judas sold the Lord (the truth) the children Israel (as well) set the value upon him, making merchandise of him

Mat 27:9 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value

Here it speaks of his posterity

Psalm 109:13 Let his posterity be cut off; and in the generation following let their name be blotted out.

Posterity

1) after part, end
a) end, issue, event
b) latter time (prophetic for future time)
c) posterity
d) last, hindermost

As it pertains to letting their name be blotted out it says 

Psalms 69:28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.

The disciples did not know who would betray  Jesus, asking WHO Lord...? And just as Judas (singular) WENT OUT and it was NIGHT (wherein the city there is no night) it speaks elsewhere (using similar wording) THEY (in the plural) WENT OUT from us here

1John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made **manifest** that they were not all of us.

As both the children of God and the children of the devil are **manifest**

Peter also speaks of others making merchandise of you. Judas along with the children of Israel made merchandise of the Lord (who is "the truth"). It says, "buy the truth and sell it not" (could perhaps be shown in a similar a picture of what Judas was doing in selling out "the truth").

They use (as Judas used) "feigned" (insincere) words

2Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

As Judas said, "why this waste it could have been sold and given to the poor" (it is an example of "feigned " or "insincere words) 

John 12:6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.

As Peter writes

1Peter 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer

A contrast between these two

Psalm 109:10 Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg: let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places.

In comparison to

Psalm 37:25 I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread.

Whereas it could be more rightly said, "ye are of your father the devil"

John 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

Also if you notice it speaks of "bowels" In Psalm 109:18 are mentioned (in relation to cursing) but are also mentioned in Acts 1:18

Psalm 109:18 As he clothed himself with cursing like as with his garment, so let it come into his bowels like water,

and like oil into his bones.

And here

Acts 1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong,

he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.

Shows his choosing the way of cursing over blessing and clothing himself in this way. Indicative of choosing the path of  the "cursed is he that "taketh a reward" to slay an innocent person makes sense. And in that respect it says, "let it come into his bowels as water like oil into his bones" and so mentions his bowels  there  but also them gushing out (in Acts 1:18 ). Still looking at this from time to time because I know no prophecy of scripture is its own interpretation but you can catch a little more of how they might fit in the context of Judas.

 

[hishandmaiden]

If Judas had repented, and asked Jesus for forgiveness, he... yes, even he will be forgiven. The truth is, he never asked Jesus for forgiveness. He trusted in money, and then, later on, his own righteousness. Yes, he might be remorseful, but he never asked for forgiveness. He chose to hang himself instead.

[missmuffet]

On 6/11/2023 at 12:27 AM, JohnD said:

Judas was / is possessed by Satan (Luke 22:3 / John 13:26–27).

Judas hung himself in that state and went to the abyss (Acts 1:25 / Revelation 20:1–3).

He will then be thrown into the eternal lake of fire (Revelation 20:10) prepared for the devil and his followers (25:41).

Matthew 26:24

The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.”

Judas had faith but not a true saving faith. We see that a lot today. For a time he was a follower of Jesus Christ.

 

[Walty]

The right to choose, and how to handle the consequences of our decisions, whether good or bad, is Our legacy given by God. 

John 17:12 "While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled."

Judas was needed. He was needed to turn our Lord over to the magistrates. Jesus knew there was a path, though very painful, to the cross. 

Our Lord, being ominous, already knew. I have pondered this many many times, which that gentle wisper, that "still small voice" keeps telling me that suicide didn't have to happen. He didn't have to murder himself. I believe Jesus, though painful, already knew the outcome.

 

I look at Judas with eyes of pity, as an example of some poor soul who is overwhelmed with regret and sorrow. Look at Peter what he did. He denied the Lord 3 times, and even cursed to show he wasn't with them. He left and went back to his old life. He didn't murder himself. 

Only if Judas didn't choose to murder himself, like Peter, I could imagine Jesus also appearing to, him. Even in the darkness of his sorrow.

He choosed to murder himself. It was that choice that cut him off from life and forgiveness. 

I always tell people, no matter what you did, no matter what happened, no matter how far you feel you fell away from God, as long as you have breath, there's still a chance of restoration. 

Life is a testimony of another chance.

[Luther]

It's very humbling to comment on this. It's most likely his fate would be the same as the Jews who took part in the  crucifixion of Jesus. And once again, I humbly present 

Romans 9:22

What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

[JohnD]

On 6/11/2023 at 3:06 AM, ladypeartree said:

the knowledge of Judas state of mind and repentance is between him and God. The fact that he tried to give back the money and killed himself in remorse suggests he DID repent .Do you think Christ would not have forgiven him ? Christ died so that ALL  may have forgiveness 

Or...

the Satan inside of Judas realized he'd played right into God's hand;

that God intended Jesus to be the sacrifice for human sin...

so he feigned remorse to try to stop the whole thing going back to the priests

but he (the devil) had corrupted them too well and they refused to stop the

execution.

In anger he threw the money at the priests (who feigned religiosity and bought the potter's field

with the "blood money").

Then the man Judas with the inner possession of a raging Satan within him hung himself.

That's not repentance at all.

[ladypeartree]

One day we can ask and get the answers if we still want to know. Whatever the outcome it is between God and the sinner and no one else's business