Our Tri-part Make Up

[enoob57]

18 hours ago, enoob57 said:

The second death is speaking of eternal separation from God... the first death was waiting for judgment where they would be before God one more time at GWT... The rest I will need to study some to give an answer...

Yes Adam and Eve 'in the day you eat it you will surely die' ... their bodies were functioning, their soul was still functioning... what died in that day?

The body is not perishing in second death Mk 9:43-50
 

Your focus on body is where I myself would not go...

John 6:63 (KJV)

[63] It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

 

[farouk]

On 6/20/2023 at 11:40 AM, FreeGrace said:

I appealed t0 obviousn common sense.  A person can go batty reading all the scholars and seeing how much they disagree on just about everything.

If you can provide a rational and reasonable explanation of why the specific mention of a 24 hour period wouldn't make the words "for ever and ever" really mean for eternity, I would appreciate it.

Also, those who defend annihilation of the soul must be prepared to have at least 1 verse that says plainly that God has or will annihilate (destroy) souls.

Just like all the scholars.  

@FreeGrace Even John 3.16 implies the immortality of the soul..............

[NConly]

8 minutes ago, farouk said:

@FreeGrace Even John 3.16 implies the immortality of the soul..............

How about this Matt 10:28

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
This verse shows the control of eternity

[farouk]

Just now, NConly said:

How about this Matt 10:28

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
This verse shows the control of eternity

@NConly Excellent illustration from that Scripture also......

[FreeGrace]

59 minutes ago, farouk said:

@FreeGrace Even John 3.16 implies the immortality of the soul..............

Amen!

[FreeGrace]

50 minutes ago, NConly said:

How about this Matt 10:28

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
This verse shows the control of eternity

As Creator, God is able to destroy both soul and body.  However, there are no verses that specifically say that He ever has or ever will.

[farouk]

@NConly Another relevant verse: "And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." (1 Thessalonaans 5.23)

[NConly]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

As Creator, God is able to destroy both soul and body.  However, there are no verses that specifically say that He ever has or ever will.

Yes it seems we will have to wait til judgement day to see what God decides

[farouk]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

Amen!

@FreeGrace Hard for annihilationists to preach John 3.16, right?

[FreeGrace]

42 minutes ago, NConly said:

Yes it seems we will have to wait til judgement day to see what God decides

The Bible is clear that the beast (a/c), FP and the fallen angels will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.  And Rev 20:10 follows the beast and FP already having been IN the LOF for 1,000 years.  Rev 19.

There is no indication that anyone else will cease to exist after being cast into the LOF.