Our Tri-part Make Up

[FreeGrace]

43 minutes ago, farouk said:

@FreeGrace Hard for annihilationists to preach John 3.16, right?

One would certainly think so!

[NConly]

6 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

The Bible is clear that the beast (a/c), FP and the fallen angels will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.  And Rev 20:10 follows the beast and FP already having been IN the LOF for 1,000 years.  Rev 19.

There is no indication that anyone else will cease to exist after being cast into the LOF.

I don't think I said there will be.

[farouk]

On 7/7/2023 at 2:13 PM, FreeGrace said:

One would certainly think so!

Well, exactly..............

[enoob57]

On 6/22/2023 at 7:42 AM, FreeGrace said:

Paul himself SAID that there would be a resurrection of the unsaved in Acts 24:15 - and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

I am saying nothing beyond what Paul said.  It seems you don't believe that the bodies of the unsaved will be resurrected then?  Why, when Paul said they would be?

And this is what Jesus said about resurrection in John 5-

 

28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice

29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.

And one of the prophets, Daniel said this:  Dan 12:2 -  Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

These 3 verses SAY that the unsaved will be resurrected.  Clearly.  That means the BODY, obviously.

And it makes perfect sense that their physically resurrected but still mortal bodies WILL DIE AGAIN when they are cast into the LOF.

Now, if you can actually refute this with clear Scripture, please do.

I never said the "physical will be foremost of thought".  I was explaining WHY the LOF is also called "the second death", because that involves the resurrected but mortal physical bodies of the unsaved.  They get to die twice physically.  

When God says this:
1 Cor 13:8

Knowledge will cease:

1 Cor 13:8; Rev 21:1-5; Isa 65:17

Some contend that the earth will be renovated but according to God's Word 'all things will be made new' ... 

God is going to make all things new (cf. Isa 42:9; 48:6; 66:22; 2 Peter 3:13)

 Isa 62:2

1.    new things, Isa 42:9; 48:6

2.    new song, Isa 42:10 (cf. Rev 5:9; 14:3)

3.    something new, Isa 43:19 (cf. Rev 3:12)

4.    new name, Isa 62:2 (cf. Isa 56:5)

5.    new heavens and a new earth, Isa 65:17; 66:22 (cf. 2 Peter 3:13)

 

The "new" day (cf. Rev 21:5) was, in reality, the day that God always wanted for humans, but the Fall in Gen 3 caused a terrible disruption! It is surely possible that the Bible's imagery of heaven is a restored Garden of Eden (cf. Rev 21:2).

Point is one of waiting without assuming! When God tells us we cannot ascertain by what is known now ... I believe Him
1 Corinthians 2:9 (KJV)

[9] But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

And it is required of us to discipline our minds in this way!
2 Corinthians 10:5 (KJV)

[5] Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

 

On 6/22/2023 at 7:46 AM, FreeGrace said:

Are you suggesting that the words "second death" doesn't refer to the LOF??

Rev 20:14 PLAINLY SAYS it is.  

The LOF where ALL unbelievers will experience a SECOND physical death.

If not, what happens to their resurrected yet mortal carcasses after the GWT judgment?

Do you have any verses that have a different explanation for the resurrected physical bodies of the unsaved?

We simply cannot know now -then- ... if we ignore this and pursue further we will find ourselves ignoring what God has said to this point! Much of the future event as to what it will be like is one of waiting upon God as His Word has hidden this from view...

[FreeGrace]

4 hours ago, enoob57 said:

  FreeGrace said: 

Are you suggesting that the words "second death" doesn't refer to the LOF??

Rev 20:14 PLAINLY SAYS it is.  

The LOF where ALL unbelievers will experience a SECOND physical death.

If not, what happens to their resurrected yet mortal carcasses after the GWT judgment?

Do you have any verses that have a different explanation for the resurrected physical bodies of the unsaved?

We simply cannot know now -then- ... if we ignore this and pursue further we will find ourselves ignoring what God has said to this point! Much of the future event as to what it will be like is one of waiting upon God as His Word has hidden this from view...

I don't understand your "we cannot know now" statement.  We can and do know what the Bible says.  And Rev 20:14 calls the LOF the second death.  

We know that there will be a resurrection of all unbelievers per Dan 12:2, John 5:29 and Acts 24:15.  The only purpose for that is to appear before the GWT judgment, which is followed by being cast into the LOF.  So, naturally, the resurrected yet still mortal physical body will certainly die again.