Using common sense to understand the abomination that causes desolation

[Uriah]

12 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

So you believe Antiochus's armed forces didn't place the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel.

You will not be able to show where I said this! What are you doing?

[Shilohsfoal]

14 minutes ago, Uriah said:

You will not be able to show where I said this! What are you doing?

You said I was falsifying what you believe.I was under the impression that you believes Antiochus killed a pig and it defiles the house that God lived in .And other unclean people enterd and killed a cow so the the house could be clean.

God doesn't live in unclean house.

So if you believe antiochus  was able to kill a pig and dirty up gods house so he couldn't live in it then that's what you believe.

As I said,God probably held the door open for him because God sure didn't even attempt to stop him.Theres a reason for everything even if it's to blind those who say they see.

 

If you want to continue teaching others that the abomination of desolation has already been set up,then continue your work.

 

 

Mathew 24

¹⁵ When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Edited July 9, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[Uriah]

5 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

You said I was falsifying what you believe.I was under the impression that you believes Antiochus killed a pig and it defiles the house that God lived in .And other unclean people enterd and killed a cow so the the house could be clean.

You must have talking with someone else.

 

5 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

So if you believe antiochus  was able to kill a pig and dirty up gods house so he couldn't live in it then that's what you believe.

you can read what I said.

 

5 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Theres a reason for everything even if it's to blind those who say they see.

Words to live by!

 

6 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

If you want to continue teaching others that the abomination of desolation has already been set up,then continue your work.

Well thanks for that. Enjoy chasing pigs and watch out for the bombs.

[Shilohsfoal]

12 minutes ago, Uriah said:

You must have talking with someone else.

 

you can read what I said.

 

Words to live by!

 

Well thanks for that. Enjoy chasing pigs and watch out for the bombs.

The bombs are not used till the king of the north goes forth on a rage to destroy and innihilate many.

Daniel 11:44

But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many.
 

It takes place 1290 days after the daily sacrifice is abolished.That would put it right about when the heavens burn with a fervent heat and the elements are melted 

But Trump will be reelected before he gives Israel a host. He will finish what he started.

[WilliamL]

On 7/8/2023 at 12:38 PM, Uriah said:

The first two items cited pertain to Antiochus.

 Dan 11:31

And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

Dan 12:11

And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

These two references pertain to the same event. Already happened.

Incorrect. The latter was the only one to which Jesus referred. Note that the AD placed by Antiochus was NOT prophesied to be "in the holy place." According to 1 Macc. 1:54,59 it was "erected...upon the altar of burnt offering." That is, not in the sanctuary, or in the place thereof.

The passage of Daniel 12:9-13 refers to "the time of the end." To which Jesus was prophesying.

On 7/8/2023 at 12:38 PM, Uriah said:

Dan 9:27

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

This pertains to the Messiah. Not happend yet. Coming soon.

Nope. Daniel 9:26b-27 was fulfilled in the destruction of Jerusalem and Temple in 70 AD. NOTHING in that passage even mentions an "abomination of desolation in the holy place."

[WilliamL]

On 7/7/2023 at 6:07 AM, Shilohsfoal said:

According to Daniel 11:31,the armed forces of the king of the north will place the abomination that causes desolation .

Some people say they will kill a pig,others say they will place a man sitting in a chair and others say the armed forces will build a statue.That sounds fun but none of those things will cause desolation.

Actually, the erecting of an false idol does cause an abomination, by Torah definition:

Deut. 7:25 “You shall burn the carved images of their gods with fire; you shall not covet the silver or gold that is on them, nor take it for yourselves, lest you be snared by it; for it is an abomination to the LORD your God. 26 Nor shall you bring an abomination into your house, lest you be doomed to destruction like it. You shall utterly detest it and utterly abhor it, for it is an accursed thing."

To put and detonate a nuclear weapon "in the holy place" in Jerusalem would utterly destroy the city, something which is never prophesied for the End Times; quite the contrary.

[Shilohsfoal]

12 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

Actually, the erecting of an false idol does cause an abomination, by Torah definition:

Deut. 7:25 “You shall burn the carved images of their gods with fire; you shall not covet the silver or gold that is on them, nor take it for yourselves, lest you be snared by it; for it is an abomination to the LORD your God. 26 Nor shall you bring an abomination into your house, lest you be doomed to destruction like it. You shall utterly detest it and utterly abhor it, for it is an accursed thing."

To put and detonate a nuclear weapon "in the holy place" in Jerusalem would utterly destroy the city, something which is never prophesied for the End Times; quite the contrary.

The abomination that causes desolation.

 

I'm pretty sure that's the idea.

Can you think of anything the armed forces use that causes a greater tribulation than anything the world has ever seen including the Hiroshima bomb?

 

Mathew 24

²¹ For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

[Shilohsfoal]

55 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

Actually, the erecting of an false idol does cause an abomination, by Torah definition:

Deut. 7:25 “You shall burn the carved images of their gods with fire; you shall not covet the silver or gold that is on them, nor take it for yourselves, lest you be snared by it; for it is an abomination to the LORD your God. 26 Nor shall you bring an abomination into your house, lest you be doomed to destruction like it. You shall utterly detest it and utterly abhor it, for it is an accursed thing."

To put and detonate a nuclear weapon "in the holy place" in Jerusalem would utterly destroy the city, something which is never prophesied for the End Times; quite the contrary.

PS

Whomever the Lord gives rain to will not burn on that day.Everyone else in Jerusalem will burn while they are standing on their feet.They will be instantly consumed.

 

 

¹² And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

[Uriah]

3 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Incorrect. The latter was the only one to which Jesus referred. Note that the AD placed by Antiochus was NOT prophesied to be "in the holy place." According to 1 Macc. 1:54,59 it was "erected...upon the altar of burnt offering." That is, not in the sanctuary, or in the place thereof.

The passage of Daniel 12:9-13 refers to "the time of the end." To which Jesus was prophesying.

The Little Horn

Dan 8:9-And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

Dan 8:10-And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

Dan 8:11-Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.

Dan 8:12-And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

Dan 8:13-Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

Dan 8:14-And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed

Dan 8:21-And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.

 

Dan 11:31-And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

 

Dan 12:11-And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Any thoughts on these? 

3 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Nope. Daniel 9:26b-27 was fulfilled in the destruction of Jerusalem and Temple in 70 AD. NOTHING in that passage even mentions an "abomination of desolation in the holy place."

So, one of the above is what Jesus referred to as the one yet to  come? Or He was referring the Roman general TITUS? NERO?

Daniel 9:27 says, even up to the "consummation"! (the ultimate END) What was poured out on this desolator? Why did JESUS make the claim of the "Holy Place?"

 

We may be more on-track with each other than it seems. It seems I get the feeling that there could be some misunderstanding.

[truth7t7]

19 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

But Trump will be reelected before he gives Israel a host. He will finish what he started.

Trump gives Israel a host, please explain?