I AM THAT I AM

[Marathoner]

@Your closest friendnt can correct me if I'm mistaken, but it seems to me that he is discussing the Word made flesh, Jesus Christ. That's the focus of his posts.

Now, I know as many of you do that the Word of God, who is indeed the Son of God, has always been with the Father. The Gospel of John stands out in this regard for the apostle teaches us that, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." (John 1:1 NASB)

He is the express image of the invisible God (Colossians 1:15). Seeing as how no man has witnessed the Father at any time (John 6:46), and He speaks what He hears the Father say and does what He sees the Father doing (John 5:19), we know that whenever men witnessed God and lived, they witnessed the Son of God.

He identified Himself as "I AM" (beginning in John 8: 48) which, it should be pointed out, was understood by the Pharisees who heard Him. This is why they sought to stone the Word made flesh, because He identified Himself as "I AM" who had sent Moses. 

We know He is God and has always been God. That's what the apostle John revealed to us. 

This was before the Word became flesh --- born to a woman under the Law --- and walked among us.

I'm not concerned about our brother in the least. He's fine. 

[Your closest friendnt]

4 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

@Your closest friendnt can correct me if I'm mistaken, but it seems to me that he is discussing the Word made flesh, Jesus Christ. That's the focus of his posts.

Now, I know as many of you do that the Word of God, who is indeed the Son of God, has always been with the Father. The Gospel of John stands out in this regard for the apostle teaches us that, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." (John 1:1 NASB)

He is the express image of the invisible God (Colossians 1:15). Seeing as how no man has witnessed the Father at any time (John 6:46), and He speaks what He hears the Father say and does what He sees the Father doing (John 5:19), we know that whenever men witnessed God and lived, they witnessed the Son of God.

He identified Himself as "I AM" (beginning in John 8: 48) which, it should be pointed out, was understood by the Pharisees who heard Him. This is why they sought to stone the Word made flesh, because He identified Himself as "I AM" who had sent Moses. 

We know He is God and has always been God. That's what the apostle John revealed to us. 

This was before the Word became flesh --- born to a woman under the Law --- and walked among us.

I'm not concerned about our brother in the least. He's fine. 

@Marathoner. Thank you for your polite disposition is very much appreciated. 

[Truswell]

4 hours ago, AFlameOfFire said:

When Jesus on earth before he ascended to the Father he said,

John 14:8 I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

He had not ascended here yet and says

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them,

 I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

And this is the Father saying to the Son

Psalm 110:1 [[A Psalm of David.]] The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

God having made Jesus both Lord and Christ

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Where he is still seated

Heb 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

Ephes 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, 
may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

Ephes 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

Ephes 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

Ephes 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand (where he presently is)  in the heavenly places,

Ephes 1:21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

Next verse

Ephes 1:22-23 And hath put all things under his feet,(See also 1 Cr 15:27) and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,(See 1 Cr 11:3) Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

His head (God) gave him (Jesus) to be head of the church (his body) from a position of being seated in the heaven (see also Acts 2:33)

Same is shown here from his position at the right hand of the Father

1 Cr 15:24 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

1 Cr 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that **he is excepted**, which did put all things under him.

1 Cr 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

The throne

Mat 5:33 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:

And we looking unto Jesus seated at the right hand of the throne of God

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Where we see the Father saying unto the Son who is ascended in this picture here

Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Following through into the next verse in the psalm Hebrews is taken from

Psalm 45:7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

God having made Jesus both Lord and Christ (who is seated at his right hand) says to the Son, "Thy throne O God, yet "therefore God thy God". Whereas Jesus who was made both Lord and Christ said,  I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. From that very postition God the Father says, "Therefore God thy God" unto the Son even whle acknowledging the Son of God as God. The head of Jesus Christ (our Lord) is His God (the Father) who put all things under him (who is excepted).

1 Cr 8:1 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

 

I hate it when people deny Jesus. I could not do it. I assume you know Jesus was the WORD who created the heavens and the earth, and then humbled himself and took on the image of God while retaining the power of the WORD within him.

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Edited October 7, 2023 by Truswell

[Your closest friendnt]

2 minutes ago, Truswell said:

I hate it when people deny Jesus. I could not do it. I assume you know Jesus was the WORD who created the heavens and the earth, and then humbled himself and took on the image of God while retaining the power of the WORD in him.

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I have to admit that it is difficult to relate to your post above and I would like to. 

I do not understand why you had to say the words in your first sentence when you are quoting the brother. I for a fact was blessed to read his entire post and was a lot of scripture that exaulted Jesus Christ. 

Am I missing something? Did you see something in his post that it could be said that equals to what you are saying "deny Jesus " is a very heavy word, and how is this justified because I do not see it myself on the contrary I was blessed reading his post. 

[Truswell]

15 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

I have to admit that it is difficult to relate to your post above and I would like to. 

I do not understand why you had to say the words in your first sentence when you are quoting the brother. I for a fact was blessed to read his entire post and was a lot of scripture that exaulted Jesus Christ. 

Am I missing something? Did you see something in his post that it could be said that equals to what you are saying "deny Jesus " is a very heavy word, and how is this justified because I do not see it myself on the contrary I was blessed reading his post. 

The emphasis was on Christ's humanity, and not his deity as the creator.

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Edited October 7, 2023 by Truswell

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

30 minutes ago, Truswell said:

I hate it when people deny Jesus. I could not do it. I assume you know Jesus was the WORD who created the heavens and the earth, and then humbled himself and took on the image of God while retaining the power of the WORD within him.

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Where have I done? Please quote me

[Truswell]

7 minutes ago, AFlameOfFire said:

Where have I done? Please quote me

An example:

"God having made Jesus both Lord and Christ"

Is Jesus not God with us?

[Marathoner]

Just now, Truswell said:

An example:

"God having made Jesus both Lord and Christ"

Is Jesus not God with us?

@AFlameOfFire quoted Acts 2:36. 

[Truswell]

2 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

@AFlameOfFire quoted Acts 2:36. 

That is what I mean. Instead of elevating Jesus the Word, the creator who is "The mighty God, The everlasting Father" (Isa 9:6) Jesus becomes not God, but Lord (lower case) and Christ."

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[Your closest friendnt]

3 minutes ago, Truswell said:

An example:

"God having made Jesus both Lord and Christ"

Is Jesus not God with us?

The reference to God in this passage is the reference to the Heavenly Father. 

It is not anyother reference, Jesus only referred to the Heavenly Father he only called upon the Heavenly Father because He knew who he was before he was born this is why he never called upon the Lord God Almighty.  

And this is what Jesus said in Revelation chapter one, after identifying himself to John as Jesus who had died and raised from the dead and who was ascended to Heaven because he went back to where he came from and this is was done before hundred of witnesses they witness Jesus Christ as he was standing before them to begin to ascent to Heaven to where he had come from. 

Jesus said to John "I am God Almighty". 

He was the only one who has ever ascended to Heaven no one ever before him has been ascended to Heaven. A Heavenly chariot was sent to bring up Elijah to Heaven.

This is why Jesus said "do not tell in your hearts how he will ascent to Heaven in the very high above all.