I AM THAT I AM

[Truswell]

Just now, Your closest friendnt said:

The reference to God in this passage is the reference to the Heavenly Father. 

It is not anyother reference, Jesus only referred to the Heavenly Father he only called upon the Heavenly Father because He knew who he was before he was born this is why he never called upon the Lord God Almighty.  

And this is what Jesus said in Revelation chapter one, after identifying himself to John as Jesus who had died and raised from the dead and who was ascended to Heaven because he went back to where he came from and this is was done before hundred of witnesses they witness Jesus Christ as he was standing before them to begin to ascent to Heaven to where he had come from. 

Jesus said to John "I am God Almighty". 

He was the only one who has ever ascended to Heaven no one ever before him has been ascended to Heaven. A Heavenly chariot was sent to bring up Elijah to Heaven.

This is why Jesus said "do not tell in your hearts how he will ascent to Heaven in the very high above all.  

 

Who was the Word in the beginning?

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[Your closest friendnt]

3 minutes ago, Truswell said:

Who was the Word in the beginning?

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The word created all things, is him whom God the Father sent to create all things including the man Adam, and later Eve. 

Edited October 7, 2023 by Your closest friendnt

[Truswell]

1 minute ago, Your closest friendnt said:

The word created all things, is him whom God the Father sent to create all things including the man Adam, and later Eve. 

And Jesus is the WORD.

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

27 minutes ago, Truswell said:

An example:

"God having made Jesus both Lord and Christ"

Is Jesus not God with us?

This verse?

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

This verse?

Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

2 Cr 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

[Your closest friendnt]

29 minutes ago, Truswell said:

And Jesus is the WORD.

 Yes exactly but not as it sounds.  Jesus in his preexisting life he created all things and Man, he was the Word as in John chapter one. Not Jesus in the flesh but the one who was with the Heavenly Father as John said the Word, who created all things and made himself known to Noah and to Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and Moses and who in due time he left everything to begin his earthly life as Jesus and we know how he was born from the prophetic and his birth was recorded in the Gospel of John...the Archangel Gabriel gave the news to Mary and Mary was complementing herself to be chosen because the people were wandering who will be the chosen one to give birth to the Messiah the Son of God. As it was prophesied in Esaiah. The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son. 

Edited October 8, 2023 by Your closest friendnt

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

39 minutes ago, Truswell said:

An example:

"God having made Jesus both Lord and Christ"

 

And why are you being dishonest by quoting what I stated above the very verse itself

For example, I wrote

God having made Jesus both Lord and Christ

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

So I provided the verse right under it, and you either overlooked it or ignored it.

Being a flase accuser is "a thing", try not to be one of those.

 

[Truswell]

5 minutes ago, AFlameOfFire said:

And why are you being dishonest by quoting what I stated above the very verse itself

For example, I wrote

God having made Jesus both Lord and Christ

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

So I provided the verse right under it, and you either overlooked it or ignored it.

Being a flase accuser is "a thing", try not to be one of those.

 

God humbled himself and came among us. Gleason Archer explains it well. 

God had to become one of us to redeem us from the guilt and penalty of our sins. God as God could not forgive us for our sins unless our sins were fully paid for; otherwise, he would have been a condoner and protector of the violation of His own holy law. It was only as a man that God in Christ could provide a sacrifice sufficient to atone for the sins of humankind; for only a man born of flesh could represent the human race.

But our Redeemer had to be God, for only God could furnish a sacrifice of infinite value, to compensate for the penalty of the eternal hell that our sin demands according to the righteous claims of divine justice. Only God could have devised a way of salvation by which He could remain Just, while becoming the Justifier of the ungodly. So instead of sending the wicked to the everlasting perdition they deserved, it was the perfect Man, who was also the infinite God, that furnished an effective sacrifice for all believers of every age.

I'm going back to bed, it is 1:30 am here. Good night.

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

1 minute ago, Truswell said:

 

I'm going back to bed, it is 1:30 am here. Good night.

Good night

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

3 hours ago, Truswell said:

That is what I mean. Instead of elevating Jesus the Word, the creator who is "The mighty God, The everlasting Father" (Isa 9:6) Jesus becomes not God, but Lord (lower case) and Christ."

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I missed this post actually, 

Lower case is shown in the Psalm, that is where you can distinguish between the Father and the Word made flesh (made Lord and Christ) I just post what is written

Psalm 110:1 [[A Psalm of David.]] The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Jesus confirms that David by the Holy Ghost "my Lord"

Mark 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Elizabeth was  filled with the Holy Ghost (Luke 1:41) calls him "my Lord"

Luke 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

1 Cr 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Ephes 3:8-9 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ

The Word that was God and was with God was made flesh, made of a woman made under the law,  made a little lower than the angels, made of the seed of David, and made Lord and Christ. They crucified the beloved Son of God who God raised again from the dead. And Jesus was then begotten from the dead he was made a high priest forever after the order of Melchizedek. And glorified not himself to be made a priest, but he that said unto him, Hebrews 5:5 Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. Hebrews 5:6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. Psalm 2:7, Acts 13:33, & Psalm 110:4

He is still acknowledged by His God as God, you apparently missed another verse I posted (Taken from Psalm 47:5-6) Jesus is adressed as God by His God

Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Psalm 45:7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Thats where Jesus was ascending, to His God and our God, His Father ond our Father, because that was part of God reconciling us to himself by Jesus Christ

Ephes 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will

Theres much more you cant really fit into a single post, but that is the gist but to touch on another one of your complaints about his not being elevated, whatever you might mean by that, God had highly exalted him See Phil 2:9-11

Phl 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

Phil 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

Phil 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

I hope that helps

 

[Truswell]

3 hours ago, AFlameOfFire said:

I missed this post actually, 

Lower case is shown in the Psalm, that is where you can distinguish between the Father and the Word made flesh (made Lord and Christ) I just post what is written

Psalm 110:1 [[A Psalm of David.]] The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Jesus confirms that David by the Holy Ghost "my Lord"

Mark 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Elizabeth was  filled with the Holy Ghost (Luke 1:41) calls him "my Lord"

Luke 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

1 Cr 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Ephes 3:8-9 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ

The Word that was God and was with God was made flesh, made of a woman made under the law,  made a little lower than the angels, made of the seed of David, and made Lord and Christ. They crucified the beloved Son of God who God raised again from the dead. And Jesus was then begotten from the dead he was made a high priest forever after the order of Melchizedek. And glorified not himself to be made a priest, but he that said unto him, Hebrews 5:5 Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. Hebrews 5:6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. Psalm 2:7, Acts 13:33, & Psalm 110:4

He is still acknowledged by His God as God, you apparently missed another verse I posted (Taken from Psalm 47:5-6) Jesus is adressed as God by His God

Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Psalm 45:7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Thats where Jesus was ascending, to His God and our God, His Father ond our Father, because that was part of God reconciling us to himself by Jesus Christ

Ephes 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will

Theres much more you cant really fit into a single post, but that is the gist but to touch on another one of your complaints about his not being elevated, whatever you might mean by that, God had highly exalted him See Phil 2:9-11

Phl 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

Phil 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

Phil 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

I hope that helps

 

I know about Christophany, thank you.

I also know that one day we shall all bow the knee before the pre-incarnate Jesus, who came DOWN from heaven's glory.

16 Bible verses about Christ Going Down (knowing-jesus.com).

I also know what will happen to those who deny Jesus.

At nearly 80 years of age, and being a Christian from childhood, baptised age twelve, and following the Lord all the days of my life, there is not much you can tell me.

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Edited October 8, 2023 by Truswell