The end time has different physics?

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, dad2 said:

The chapter covers Rome, Greece, Medo Persia, and Babylon, as well as the final manifestation of the Roman kingdom.  

Daniel 7:17

These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

Daniel 7:18

But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

 

It spans all those empires and times and then mentions that His saints will rule.

 

Later it focuses in on the end time, and points out that those folks in the tribulation period who believe will be included, and also rule.

 

Jesus returns with His saints. That is when Jesus takes all the kingdoms and gives them to us to rule. We who were Raptured and returning with Him also of course rule with Him. So will the folks either killed in the tribulation or who are delivered when we return.

 

 I am not sure why you try to stuff it all together to omit believers of all ages, and imagine that only the left behind/tribulation new believers will help Jesus rule here. You have no case. Stop embarrassing yourself with  brash and truly out to lunch cultish pet doctrines here and address the topic.

 

No,the chapter has nothing to do with Rome so you was wrong on your first guess.

Guess again.

 

As for omitting the rest of the dead.I didn't omit them.Revelation does.

This is who is resurected and who reigns with Christ.The last verse is who doesn't.

 

⁴ And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

⁵ But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

 

 

 

Edited August 4, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[dad2]

3 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

No,the chapter has nothing to do with Rome so you was wrong on your first guess.

Guess again.

You can claim Greece and Rome etc were not of the four beasts if you like. It is not a serious position, so don't stink up the thread spamming cultishly weird and weak opinions instead of addressing the issues.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

4 hours ago, dad2 said:

You can claim Greece and Rome etc were not of the four beasts if you like. It is not a serious position, so don't stink up the thread spamming cultishly weird and weak opinions instead of addressing the issues.

 

When you enter false testimony into the thread,you have already stunk it up.

You claim you will reign but you can not provide any proof that you do.

I can provide proof of who will reign .The word of God is my proof.

Isaiah 14:2

Nations will take them and bring them to their own place. And Israel will take possession of the nations and make them male and female servants in the LORD’s land. They will make captives of their captors and rule over their oppressors.

 

Its not hard to understand if you believe God.It all makes perfect sense.

[dad2]

Just now, Shilohsfoal said:

When you enter false testimony into the thread,you have already stunk it up.

What you believe is false, on an off topic issue does not matter. Sorry, the four kingdoms all do not find themselves restrained to several years in the end. Not worth arguing about.

Just now, Shilohsfoal said:

You claim you will reign but you can not provide any proof that you do.

Despite your strange desire to try to omit believers/saints as ruling with Jesus, you have no support for the idea.

 

Just now, Shilohsfoal said:

 

I can provide proof of who will reign .The word of God is my proof.

Isaiah 14:2

Nations will take them and bring them to their own place. And Israel will take possession of the nations and make them male and female servants in the LORD’s land. They will make captives of their captors and rule over their oppressors.

Yes saved Israel after the Tribulation will help rule. You seem to want to do your little one trick pony approach here, and take that to mean no one else also will! That would be a myopic and base and mean spirited and truly ignorant way to interpret Scripture.

[Shilohsfoal]

33 minutes ago, dad2 said:

What you believe is false, on an off topic issue does not matter. Sorry, the four kingdoms all do not find themselves restrained to several years in the end. Not worth arguing about.

Despite your strange desire to try to omit believers/saints as ruling with Jesus, you have no support for the idea.

 

Yes saved Israel after the Tribulation will help rule. You seem to want to do your little one trick pony approach here, and take that to mean no one else also will! That would be a myopic and base and mean spirited and truly ignorant way to interpret Scripture.

The word of God is not a one trick pony.

Israel will rule over the nations.

 

Nations will take them and bring them to their own place. And Israel will take possession of the nations and make them male and female servants in the LORD’s land. They will make captives of their captors and rule over their oppressors.

 

It's not hard to comprehend.If you are lucky enough to be in the Lord's land,Israel will reign over you.

Edited August 5, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[dad2]

3 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

The word of God is not a one trick pony.

Israel will rule over the nations.

Saved Israel will be part of who He has ruling.

3 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

 

Nations will take them and bring them to their own place. And Israel will take possession of the nations and make them male and female servants in the LORD’s land. They will make captives of their captors and rule over their oppressors.

God of course restores and protects them after they get saved. He also has untold millions of saints of the church. Also the millennial believers both Jewish and otherwise. Your attempt to eliminate most saints is noted.

3 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

 

It's not hard to comprehend.If you are lucky enough to be in the Lord's land,Israel will reign over you.

Sorry. No chance. They will be super happy to be in the family and super respectful of other believers as well.

[Shilohsfoal]

6 hours ago, dad2 said:

Saved Israel will be part of who He has ruling.

God of course restores and protects them after they get saved. He also has untold millions of saints of the church. Also the millennial believers both Jewish and otherwise. Your attempt to eliminate most saints is noted.

Sorry. No chance. They will be super happy to be in the family and super respectful of other believers as well.

The revelation of Jesus Christ isn't wrong.

 

⁴ And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

⁵ But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

 

 

[dad2]

8 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

The revelation of Jesus Christ isn't wrong.

 

⁴ And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

⁵ But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

 

 

No it isn't wrong. Apparently you also think this verse eliminates the billions of other Christians of all ages from ruling with Christ. This is not the thread to help you with that. We are the living, not the dead by the way. This is news?

What I see here is a prophetic book talking about a specific people in a specific time. Like an encouragement for people in that time, letting them know that they too will be as the other saints of God and rule with Him. Their inclusion does not exclude anyone else!

[Shilohsfoal]

43 minutes ago, dad2 said:

No it isn't wrong. Apparently you also think this verse eliminates the billions of other Christians of all ages from ruling with Christ. This is not the thread to help you with that. We are the living, not the dead by the way. This is news?

What I see here is a prophetic book talking about a specific people in a specific time. Like an encouragement for people in that time, letting them know that they too will be as the other saints of God and rule with Him. Their inclusion does not exclude anyone else!

No,they are not as you.

They will actually reign with Christ in the Lord's land.It is written of them yo do so.

[dad2]

43 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

No,they are not as you.

They will actually reign with Christ in the Lord's land.It is written of them yo do so.

Yes they will be helping. Again I suspect you want to do your one trick pony here again and interpret that as meaning that the saints who return with Jesus won't be also involved. As I said I can't help you here with that narrow minded, myopic, rest of the bible ignoring pet doctrine.