YEC's cannot reconcile "tohu wabohu" in Gen 1:2 with the same 2 words in Jer 4:23!

[BeyondET]

1 minute ago, FreeGrace said:

Oh, so NOW you are ADMITTING you said it.  So WHY did you say this 10 hours ago:

"BeyondET said: 

Your wrong again, you said extra days not me, we have already discussed that."

Do you even know what you are talking about?  First you claim I brought up extra days and you DENIED it, and now you ADMIT you are the ONLY ONE who brought up 'other days', meaning of course, extra days.

I guess it's YOU who doesn't remember the conversation.

See what I quoted from your post 10 hours ago.

I'm not into "what if's.."  here.  I'm into "what is...".  All you have here is a speculation.

Why should I?  What relevance is there?  You don't even know what you've been posting, which I've pointed out here.

Of coarse I meant it, I believe there is a day one in which verse two resides and there are 5 more days is what I meant but you misunderstood that as in me saying extra days which is not what I meant.

[FreeGrace]

29 minutes ago, BeyondET said:

41 minutes ago,  SavedOnebyGrace said: 

Verse Genesis 1:3 begins restoration as I've said/wrote on countless occasions. The days are time periods of restoration. The age of the Sun, Earth and Moon cannot be determined by the bible.

I do as well believe the days are time periods and some restoration happened in earth's existance. 

Interesting that you've never admitted that to me.  

[FreeGrace]

4 minutes ago, BeyondET said:

Is there any Scripture that instructs people to back date to determine Adam's age, no there is not, it's a hypothesis.

Oh good grief!!  Seriously?  What do you think "back-date" means?  It means counting backwards events that can be measured from certain time points.  Why would the Bible even say anything about that?

4 minutes ago, BeyondET said:

Jer 4:23 is talking about something else not creation 

Of course.  That is my point.  The SAME 2 WORDS in Gen 1:2 supposedly describing creation are found in Jer 4:23, describing the result of a besieging army.

And these SAME 2 WORDS only occur together in these 2 verses.

[BeyondET]

2 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Interesting that you've never admitted that to me.  

Was I supposed to tell you everything first?

[FreeGrace]

4 minutes ago, BeyondET said:

Of coarse I meant it, I believe there is a day one in which verse two resides and there are 5 more days is what I meant but you misunderstood that as in me saying extra days which is not what I meant.

I SHOWED you your own quote.  Out for everyone to see.  You flatly denied ever talking about extra days but now admit you are the only one to bring it up.

[FreeGrace]

1 minute ago, BeyondET said:

Was I supposed to tell you everything first?

You really haven't told me anything.  Just push back on what I post.

[BeyondET]

3 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Oh good grief!!  Seriously?  What do you think "back-date" means?  It means counting backwards events that can be measured from certain time points.  Why would the Bible even say anything about that?

Of course.  That is my point.  The SAME 2 WORDS in Gen 1:2 supposedly describing creation are found in Jer 4:23, describing the result of a besieging army.

And these SAME 2 WORDS only occur together in these 2 verses.

The bible doesn't say count backwards in the genealogy to determine Adam's age. So why do people do it?

You think the age of those people are for only one reason.

[BeyondET]

5 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

I SHOWED you your own quote.  Out for everyone to see.  You flatly denied ever talking about extra days but now admit you are the only one to bring it up.

I flatly deny saying extra days, I'll repeat myself again I said other days not extra days.

You don't want to admit you make mistakes sometimes.

[BeyondET]

3 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

You really haven't told me anything.  Just push back on what I post.

We both have been pushing back against each other.

[BeyondET]

On 8/10/2023 at 11:50 AM, teddyv said:

Jeremiah 4 is full of poetry imagery and hyperbole. Do you think an actual lion came from the north? Did all of Israel's towns get wiped out by the Assyrians - I mean every single one? Nope. Because the Assyrians resettled other people into Israel after they were removed.

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Yes. Primordial chaos. This is what people thought existed before the created world back in the day. We have to try to view the Scriptures as the people that wrote and listened to them did, not insert our Modernity derived sensibilities and historical views.

Good point about Jeremiah 4. Verse 27 mentions it wasn't a total destruction. And since things have been planned, some of Jeremiah 4 is still to come.

Jeremiah 4

27For this is what the LORD says: “The whole land will be desolate, but I will not finish its destruction.

28Therefore the earth will mourn and the heavens above will grow dark. I have spoken, I have planned, and I will not relent or turn back.”

You mentioned poetry, mountains quaking and a searing wind out of the barren heights mentioned in Jeremiah 4 are basically the same thing.

Edited August 15, 2023 by BeyondET