THE ONLY THING WE NEED TO KNOW IS JESUS

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

7 hours ago, SpiritSong said:

 

The gift of forgiveness is for each of us to accept or refuse. Why be rescued from sin only to go back to it?

They're all teaching we were all born sinners and we can't help but to sin every day - and they all teach that all our sins have already been forgiven and those that believe cannot lose their salvation

Are you saying that we CAN lose our salvation?

Everyone else it seems is saying we cannot

[Vine Abider]

9 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

But as you said earlier all our sins are still forgiven so even if we live in sin we still get to go to heaven.

Your earlier post just comes right out and says this.

It helped clear thing up to let me know that no matter how I live I still get to go to heaven!

Correct (although I think the new earth is actually our final destination, not heaven).

I know you are trying to make a point . . . but as said, I want to hear those approving words from the Lord, "Well done good and faithful servant, you were faithful in a few things, enter into the joy of your Lord!"  This means (as per Matthew 25:23) that I must be a good steward in at least some of the things He has given me to do.  Therefore, our actions as believers may warrant being bared from the reward of the fantastical kingdom we inherit, which is no small thing to endure!

Again, with the eternal life of our Father in us we will not see the second death . . . but we are still accountable for our works in how we build (1 Cor 3: wood, hay, stubble - gold silver, precious stones) and may suffer loss of rewards.

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

4 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

Again, with the eternal life of our Father in us we will not see the second death . . . but we are still accountable for our works in how we build (1 Cor 3: wood, hay, stubble - gold silver, precious stones) and may suffer loss of rewards.

As long as I get to not be in hell, I'm not worried about rewards

Worrying about how many rewards one is going to get seems rather self serving to me like it's all about me and what am I going to get?  kinda thing.

You seem very sure that we can live in sin and still go to heaven which is good because lots of people are saying we are all born sinners and we cannot help but to sin every day.

So is the rewards thing trying to earn points from the Lord or something?  And if we absolutely cannot lose our salvation isn't going to heaven enough reward?

[Vine Abider]

1 hour ago, Stan Murff said:

As long as I get to not be in hell, I'm not worried about rewards

Worrying about how many rewards one is going to get seems rather self serving to me like it's all about me and what am I going to get?  kinda thing.

You seem very sure that we can live in sin and still go to heaven which is good because lots of people are saying we are all born sinners and we cannot help but to sin every day.

So is the rewards thing trying to earn points from the Lord or something?  And if we absolutely cannot lose our salvation isn't going to heaven enough reward?

Okay, for the sake of argument - do you want to be pleasing to the Lord?  He has most graciously saved us into a loving relationship with God, and now asks us to be good stewards of this amazing grace. This means He asks us to build upon the foundation, in a way pleasing to Him.

This means (including):

(and all these mean not practicing sin)

>Seeking Him routinely/daily

>Growing into His image through His indwelling Spirit

>Obeying His voice

>Building up the body of Christ in love

>Testifying of His love, grace and power to others (including the lost)

>Watching, expecting and hastening His return

But we do have a choice - we can chose to remain in our selfish flesh and forget about all He's given us (including helping those around us).  Or, in love with Him, seek to do what is well pleasing in His eyes (including the above points).

So there's still a free-will choice after becoming eternally born-again of His life - yes, the believer will still be a child with Him forever, but by not walking with Him in this life, they be disciplined and forfeit a lot! 

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

3 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

Okay, for the sake of argument - do you want to be pleasing to the Lord?  He has most graciously saved us into a loving relationship with God, and now asks us to be good stewards of this amazing grace. This means He asks us to build upon the foundation, in a way pleasing to Him.

This means (including):

(and all these mean not practicing sin)

>Seeking Him routinely/daily

>Growing into His image through His indwelling Spirit

>Obeying His voice

>Building up the body of Christ in love

>Testifying of His love, grace and power to others (including the lost)

>Watching, expecting and hastening His return

But we do have a choice - we can chose to remain in our selfish flesh and forget about all He's given us (including helping those around us).  Or, in love with Him, seek to do what is well pleasing in His eyes (including the above points).

So there's still a free-will choice after becoming eternally born-again of His life - yes, the believer will still be a child with Him forever, but by not walking with Him in this life, they be disciplined and forfeit a lot! 

You said earlier that we absolutely cannot lose out salvation

If that's the case why does all this other stuff even matter?

[Stewardofthemystery]

How does one know “if they know Him?”

1 John 2:3-6

 

King James Version

 

 

³ And “hereby”we do know that we know him, “if we keep his commandments.”

⁴ He that saith, “I know him,” and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

⁵ But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: “hereby”know we that we are in him.

⁶ He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.” 👀

[Vine Abider]

1 hour ago, Stan Murff said:

You said earlier that we absolutely cannot lose out salvation

If that's the case why does all this other stuff even matter?

It doesn't seem to matter to you (correct?).  It does to those who desire to please Him.

It's like this - Musk decides to give you $10 billion to invest and increase. You say, "Awesome, I'm a billionaire - WOO HOO!" and decide to keep living out of trash cans.  You may even acknowledge you're a billionaire, but it's in name only as you never put any of it to use.

But that's your choice!

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

6 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

It doesn't seem to matter to you (correct?).  It does to those who desire to please Him.

It's like this - Musk decides to give you $10 billion to invest and increase. You say, "Awesome, I'm a billionaire - WOO HOO!" and decide to keep living out of trash cans.  You may even acknowledge you're a billionaire, but it's in name only as you never put any of it to use.

But that's your choice!

But see now you are saying one thing and then you say another.

On one hand you say it's not possible to lose salvation.  Period.  End of discussion

And then, you say whether I have sin going in my life is supposed to matter to me.

Don't you know they we are all born sinners and we cannot help but sin every day?  That's what everyone seems to believe the bible teaches

So why are you suggesting I should worry about that if mankind was born a sinner and we all can't help but do sin?
 

[Vine Abider]

12 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

So why are you suggesting I should worry about that if mankind was born a sinner and we all can't help but do sin?

We can keep from sinning, because of One, Jesus Christ. That's because the main work of Christ was twofold:

1. Death - atonement for the sins of mankind (wipe the slate clean before God)

2. Resurrection - became a life-giving Spirit to indwell man (become man's life)

All men must accept the free gift of grace/forgivenes to be save and born-again. Once born-again, if we sin, we have an Advocate, Jesus Christ the righteous. If we sin we can righteously say, "Lord I've sinned.  Thank you for your cleansing blood and forgiveness.  I now just turn back to you.  Fill me with Your death-swallowing life. I give this sin to you - transform me and help me not do it again."

As per Hebrews 4:16 we have this boldness to come to the throne of grace to find help from Him in time of need!

So yes, even as born-again believers, we still carry the flesh, which Romans 7:17-18 tells us that in the flesh "no good thing dwells," and we too often still succumb to its lusts.  But Christ lives in us, and when we turn to Him, His life in us is able to keep us from sinning!     Praise God! 

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

12 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

We can keep from sinning

 

Does this mean you are sin free now and never doing anything that is sinful ,at all?

I was reading some stuff about someone that claimed they don't sin and all the other people were claiming he was a false christian for claiming that 

Apparently it's widely accepted that all people were born sinners and nobody can stop sinning.  I'm seeing a lot of people saying this is true