Any thoughts on this?

[jesusandliberty]

6 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

Apparently you disagree with most Christians including what looks like most on this forum who believe it's not possible to lose salvation

To me, it's not about justifying anything, everyone is telling me that once you are saved you absolutely cannot lose your salvation and this seems to be what the majority of preachers teach as well.

So, if one drinks too much it does not cause them to lose their salvation.  Apparently one could do anything they want and not lose their salvation.

This appears to be orthodox christianity

Hebrews 10:26

New International Version

26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,

 

That's Bible. I don't care what a preacher says that's what the Word says. If you want to live a life of sin it's also possible you never had a relationship with Christ in the first place. 

[farouk]

3 hours ago, jesusandliberty said:

Hebrews 10:26

New International Version

26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,

 

That's Bible. I don't care what a preacher says that's what the Word says. If you want to live a life of sin it's also possible you never had a relationship with Christ in the first place. 

Hebrews is an amazing Epistle. We do indeed need to keep a good conscience prayerfully in the Word.

[Yes, and]

29 minutes ago, farouk said:

Hebrews is an amazing Epistle. We do indeed need to keep a good conscience prayerfully in the Word.

It is indeed an amazing epistle (probably my favorite). And, we also need to be careful not to cherry pick specific verses in there to prove a point, without taking into account the whole of it, all at the same time, and always. Hebrews 10:26 is followed on by even sterner language in vv. 27-31. But then look where it goes in vv. 32-39. This same tension (or flip of the coin, if you will) occurs in 6:1-6 and then 9-20.

[Vine Abider]

10 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

Looks like drinking too much is no problem at all

The consequences you speak of does not include losing one's salvation so if one sins or not it doesn't matter based on what you are saying.

In other words, there's really no  consequences other than people worrying about their rewards which seems selfish anyhow to worry about what's in it for them

Nope - I think you know that's not what I said (that "drinking too much is no problem at all") . . . so is there some underlying thing you are actually wanting to convey with this dialog - other than the ongoing back & forth banter?  

If not, go well and be filled with His life!.

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

No, sounds like all sins are already forgiven as you and others have already stated not to mention I'm finding many preachers out there saying this as well.

The only thing that seems odd is when you said there are consequences if we sin on one hand but on the other hand we are still saved anyway because all our sins have already been forgiven.

Specifically what consequences could there possibly be if our sins are already forgiven and we can't be judged for something Jesus already paid for?

That seems to not fit and is confusing

[FJK]

43 minutes ago, Stan Murff said:

That seems to not fit and is confusing

Have you ever considered that some people will hold onto their sins and not turn them over to Christ for forgiveness?  That they will bear the burden of those sins since they will not accept the payment Christ has already made for them our of their own pride or whatever other reason they may have?

When you argue in favor of your sin, you get to keep it, and pay the price for doing so as well.

Do you believe in God, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit?  If you do then you can ask him for an answer and you will receive it, but you must accept it as it is given and not reject it because you want to hear something else instead, rejecting that answer makes your prayers an effort in futility since you will not hear the answer by your own choice.

God gave you free will, use it wisely.

[Vine Abider]

2 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

No, sounds like all sins are already forgiven as you and others have already stated not to mention I'm finding many preachers out there saying this as well.

The only thing that seems odd is when you said there are consequences if we sin on one hand but on the other hand we are still saved anyway because all our sins have already been forgiven.

Specifically what consequences could there possibly be if our sins are already forgiven and we can't be judged for something Jesus already paid for?

That seems to not fit and is confusing

You've got this same thing going on three threads!

Have you read 1st Corinthians 3:11-15? (it's been presented to you a number of times)  Please tell me what you see/understand from this passage, okay?

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

22 hours ago, FJK said:

Have you ever considered that some people will hold onto their sins and not turn them over to Christ for forgiveness? 

 

I though all our sins have already been forgiven past present and future long before were were even born???

Are you saying this is not true?

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

21 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

You've got this same thing going on three threads!

Have you read 1st Corinthians 3:11-15? (it's been presented to you a number of times)  Please tell me what you see/understand from this passage, okay?

Oh read that, and it says I'll still be saved!

You keep going back to that rewards thing but losing rewards doesn't include losing THE reward of having salvation.

What's confusing is people say you cannot lose your salvation and then turn around and say you shouldn't sin but give no good reason from the bible why

As long as we aren't losing THE reward of salvation then all the other reasoning to not sin is a none issue especially since everyone is saying we were all born sinners and cannot help but sin in word and deed everyday!

I heard one guy say if all he got was a small shack on the backside of glory than that's way better than going to hell.  That's kinda where I'm at because I'm not caring about having a big mansion like everyone else is.

Assuming these are the rewards you are talking about.





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Edited August 11, 2023 by Stan Murff

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

There's a preach I hear about on youtubes and he is saying you can actually lose salvation and he wants to provide bible verses he say will prove that.

Should I get this from him and post it here so you guys can tell me if his bible verses are true or not?

It might be interesting to have another perspective from a preacher that does not say the same thing that most other preachers say.