Any thoughts on this?

[DeighAnn]

9 minutes ago, Stan Murff said:

So getting dunk, buying hookers, smoking crack... just whatever one's soul lusts after is all good with the Lord?

I would suggest starting at Genesis and doing a refresh. Other than that I would


Ask the Lord, HE IS LISTENING RIGHT NOW,


even taking notes....discerning the thoughts and intents of your heart and mind...

[DeighAnn]

11 minutes ago, Stan Murff said:

Yeah, I got born again almost 40 years ago and learned early on that drinking the booze and any for of intoxication is evil and sinful.

Are you saying your opening statement was just a lie? 


If so, don't you find that to be along the lines of when the Pharisees took counsel how they might entangle Jesus in his talk?   

 

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

What's a "Crikey" ? ? ? 

[Michael37]

2 minutes ago, Stan Murff said:

What's a "Crikey" ? ? ? 

A substitute blasphemy. I've hidden it. 

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

OK, I thought it might be something people from Australia say.

Pretty sure I've head folks from down under say some word similar to this... you know, when they don't get their vegemite sandwich

[TrueFollowerOfChrist]

On 8/6/2023 at 10:52 AM, Stan Murff said:

I go to a non denomination church that has teachings similar to some of the popular tv preachers out there such as Joel Osteen.

The question I have is why is it wrong for Christians to drink alcohol at home and get what some would classify as getting drunk?  I've done this on weekends after working hard all week for years.  Someone recently told me this was a sin?

Most of the preachers I have heard say that our future sins are already forgiven and once we get saved we have eternal life and nobody and take us away from the Lord.

What's the deal with this anyway?  I'm not hurting anybody and I don't drive while drinking or operate heavy machinery or anything dangerous to hurt me or my wife or kids.  I don't get falling down drunk, just buzzed real good.  I know others in my church that say they do the same and have no problem with it.

Should I be worried about this?  Or is it true that all future sins are already forgiven and it's no big deal?

The bible doesn't condemn alcohol. It condemns getting drunk. Jesus himself make alcohol for a wedding and drank with his disciples the night before his crucifixion. Sadly many churches and pastors attempt to impose legalism on people by going further with restrictions than the bible does. Paul said we have freedom in Christ, and yes all future sin is forgiven. Many verses make it clear salvation is a done and settled deal. Sin is still a big deal however as sin will damage our relationship with Jesus, 

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

It was a rhetorical question Einstein.

If all our future sins are already forgiven and washed away, then it doesn't matter if we live in sin or not because we'll all go to Heaven anyway... even if we live like the devil.

They claim if one did that they would a few rewards, such as have a smaller mansion in Heaven than others, maybe have few angers as servants than others, maybe your crown won't have as man y jewels as others... and that's the only "punishment" we would get for living in sin and being a child of disobedience.

I've run across quite a few folks that believe in all this false doctrine that do in fact have sin in their lives!

Some like to watch porn or otherwise lust after the ladies, maybe smoke some weed, lie and cheat when it benefits them, etc, etc.

Funny how they try to hide their sinful behavior!

If all our future sins are already forgiven and washed away, then they just should come out with their sin and be proud about it and claim where sin abounds, grace does much more abound so let's all sin more so we can have more of God's grace!

If anyone wonders why we are seeing so many falling away from the Lord.... it's teachings such as this that is the cause.
 

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

1 hour ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said:

Sin is still a big deal however as sin will damage our relationship with Jesus, 

You are absolutely right... sin WILL in fact damage our relationship with the Lord!

When one turns away from the Lord and sins, they must forsake their sin and confess their sin to the Lord in order to be right with the Lord once again.

Proverbs 28:13
He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

 

 

Edited September 18, 2023 by Stan Murff

[Starise]

8 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

If all our future sins are already forgiven and washed away, then they just should come out with their sin and be proud about it and claim where sin abounds, grace does much more abound so let's all sin more so we can have more of God's grace!

No. This is what Paul warned against, and if you have ever met a true believer like please tell me who they are. NO true believer wants to sin or make excuses for it, yet we DO dometimes slip up. In that case, there is no need to be re saved. We only need to repent.

 

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

1 hour ago, Starise said:

we DO sometimes slip up. In that case, there is no need to be re saved. We only need to repent.

OK, so you are agreeing that our future sins are not already forgiven right?

If our future sins were really already automatically forgiven, then there's no need to repent, confess our sins to the Lord, or ask for forgiveness.

In fact, some in the greasy grace industry (like Joseph Prince) teach that it's a slap in God's face to ask for forgiveness or to even acknowledge that we have sinned as he claims all future sin is automatically pre-forgiven.

And, there are some people now that are out in the open about living in sin as they have been taught it's not possible to loose one's salvation so they just let their freak flag fly!

As an example... there are people that claim God accepts homosexuality so they are openly claiming to be "gay Christians".... and what is totally hypocritical is when those that believe in OSAS and that our future sins have already been forgiven.... telling these people they are not right with God!

Those claiming to believe in OSAS and that our future sins have already been forgiven.... have no right to tell "gay Christians" that they are not saved because after all... you believe in OSAS and that our future sins have already been forgiven, right???

 

Edited September 18, 2023 by Stan Murff