Many false teachers, false prophets, and deceivers were prophesied to come.

[Stewardofthemystery]

7 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

"For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." 1 Corinthians 15:22 KJV

it HAS TO BE a physical death because of all those who are never 'born from above' or chose DEATH or are born for destruction all die a physical death while NEVER having been born of the spirit while they lived, so can't die a spiritual death being born with it.

"But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now." Galatians 4:29 KJV

"That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." John 3:6 KJV


9The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

10But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

11Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

12But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

13And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;

14Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

15Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

16But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.

or am I seeing this wrong?  

When we are “in the flesh” we are in the first Adam “sin nature,”which is “Death.”

When we are born again we are given the divine nature of Christ, thus our souls ( not our physical bodies) pass from Death to Life.

Our physical bodies already have been given a death sentence.

Romans 5:12

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

 

Romans 8:10

And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.”

 

But while we were in that Adam sin nature we were spiritually “dead in our sins” while yet physically alive in the body.

 

Notice…

Paul said in Col 2:13 and Ephesians 2:1that we were “dead in our sins.”

 It is written in Ezekiel 18:20 that “the soul that sins”it shall “die.”

Paul also said in 1Tim.5:6that the woman who lives in pleasure “is dead” while she lives.

So to God you are “dead spiritually”while you are yet alive in the body because “of sin.”

Just as Jesus said in Matthew 8:23 to let the dead bury their dead.

It is also written that to be “carnally minded”is “death.” That is “the enmity”Jesus came to remove in us.

Jesus said to those who were physically alive that they had “a name”that they were alive, but really they were “Dead”because “of sin.”

When we are “raised up a new man” in Christ, we are spiritually made “alive” in Christ.

Notice…

Romans 6:13

Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are “alive from the dead,”and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

 

When we were “living in sin,”we were “dead to righteousness”and dead to God.  But when we are “raised up” a new man in Christ we are now made “dead to sin” and are also now made “alive” to Righteousness.

 

Romans 6:2

God forbid. How shall we, that are “dead to sin,” live any longer therein?

 

Romans 6:11

Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be “dead indeed unto sin,” but “alive unto God”through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

Ephesians 2:5

Even when we were “dead in sins,”hath “quickened us”(made us alive) together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

Colossians 2:13

And you, being “dead in your sins”and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he “quickened together”(made alive) with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

1 Peter 2:24

Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being “dead to sins,” should “live unto righteousness:” by whose stripes ye were healed.

 

So a person can be physically alive in the body, but yet spiritually “dead”because they are still “living in sin”

 

Peace

 

 

 

 

Edited August 10, 2023 by Stewardofthemystery

[meshak]

7 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

Sounds you believe one can lose salvation after having been saved.

Jesus says to be faithful until the end.

And also says we will be judged according to what we have done.

Peter says God's household will be judged first.

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

OK so God is going to judge us, but that wouldn't mean we wouldn't go to heaven even if we were doing sin right?

They keep telling me all our sins are already forgiven past present and future

Apparently this is orthodox christianity and even if we do sin we are still saved

[Stewardofthemystery]

12 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

Sounds you believe one can lose salvation after having been saved.

Here is what I believe….

 

Hebrews 6:4-8 “For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall “fall away,”to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.”

Hebrews 10:26-31

King James Version

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”

Hebrews 10:38 “Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man “draw back,” my soul shall have no pleasure in him.”

 

Ezekiel 18:24 But when the righteous “turneth away”from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

Ezekiel 18:26 When a righteous man “turneth away”from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.

Ezekiel 33:12 Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.

Ezekiel 33:18 “When the righteous “turneth from”his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby.”

2 Peter 2:20-22

King James Version

20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, “to turn”from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is “turned to his own vomit again”; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.”

Revelation 2:5 “Remember therefore from whence thou art “fallen,”and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.”

[JimmyB]

39 minutes ago, Stan Murff said:

OK so God is going to judge us, but that wouldn't mean we wouldn't go to heaven even if we were doing sin right?

They keep telling me all our sins are already forgiven past present and future

Apparently this is orthodox christianity and even if we do sin we are still saved

Everyone sins even Christians.  It has nothing to do with your salvation.  If you have accepted Christ as your savior and try to live as He directs by the Holy Spirit there is nothing to worry about.  However, if you keep on deliberately sinning...

Hebrews 10:26, "If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

Here is what I believe….

 

 

Hebrews 6:4-8 “For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall “fall away,”to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.”

Hebrews 10:26-31

King James Version

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”

Hebrews 10:38 “Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man “draw back,” my soul shall have no pleasure in him.”

 

Ezekiel 18:24 But when the righteous “turneth away”from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

Ezekiel 18:26 When a righteous man “turneth away”from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.

Ezekiel 33:12 Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.

Ezekiel 33:18 “When the righteous “turneth from”his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby.”

2 Peter 2:20-22

King James Version

20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, “to turn”from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is “turned to his own vomit again”; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.”

Revelation 2:5 “Remember therefore from whence thou art “fallen,”and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.”

This is all opinions that you have choose not to test...

All of them but Revelation 2:5 who says something contrary to their opinions..

Revelation 2:5 “Remember therefore from whence thou art “fallen,”and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.”

They said a lot of things influence by their ways from the Covenant of Sinai. Where they did not have forgiveness from all sins and those who committed the sins that were punished by death "they killed" them.  They never called them to repentance and to rehabilitation because it was not available to them under the Law...the Covenant of Sinai. 

  Revelation 2:5 “Remember therefore from whence thou art “fallen,”and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.”

Edited August 10, 2023 by Your closest friendnt

[Stewardofthemystery]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

 They never called them to repentance and to rehabilitation because it was not available to them under the Law...the Covenant of Sinai. 

  Revelation 2:5 “Remember therefore from whence thou art “fallen,”and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.”

Even in the Old Testament God was calling those who had departed from the faith and had played the harlot to repent and to return to Him.

Jeremiah 3:1

They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the Lord.”

 

Even Jesus came to seek those lost sheep of Israel that had gone astray.

 

Matthew 15:24

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

 

Matthew 18:12

How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?

 

Luke 15:3-7

King James Version

3 And he spake this parable unto them, saying,

4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?

5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.

6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.

7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner “that repenteth,”more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.”

 

 

 

 

 

[DeighAnn]

9 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

When we are born again we are given the divine nature of Christ, thus our souls ( not our physical bodies) pass from Death to Life.

And Our SPIRITUAL body is BORN and we no longer be of this world.  It is when we start FEEDING on the words of God to MATURE and when we EAT the body and blood of Christ to stay that way.  It is our spiritual person that never dies that we feed.  

And there are 2 bodies. So, our spiritual body passes from death to life or IS BORN from above...something ADAM was 'formed' with but couldn't be passed on once he ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.  THAT is what died.  The flesh body 'in the day'...
 

25Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

26And whosoever liveth and believeth in Me shall never die. Believest thou this?


Those who are not 'born from above' do not have a 'spiritual body' nor spirit BORN from above so not able to FOLLOW HIM at the death of this flesh (ADAM death) and so go to the grave/ hell at death and are not raised up until Christ returns...

at least that is how I see it.  

9 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

BECAUSE all natural bodies die...and that is what was passed on to us.

So the ADAM death HAS TO BE OF THE FLESH BODY, and not the soul/spirit/spiritual body being

I THINK we are in agreement, until we are born SPIRITUALLY, we are 'the living dead'.  

Adam was created with a natural body and a  SPIRITUALITY but when he sinned no longer would WE be able to be born with it, we had to be born from above THROUGH another means.  

[DeighAnn]

2 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

OK so God is going to judge us, but that wouldn't mean we wouldn't go to heaven even if we were doing sin right?

They keep telling me all our sins are already forgiven past present and future

Apparently this is orthodox christianity and even if we do sin we are still saved

No, just the sins repented of and past sins.  No 'future' sins are covered.  

"Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;" Romans 3:25 KJV

Here's the chapter that is found in

 

What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?

2Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

3For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

4God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

5But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)

6God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?

7For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?

8And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

9What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

10As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

12They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

13Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

14Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

15Their feet are swift to shed blood:

16Destruction and misery are in their ways:

17And the way of peace have they not known:

18There is no fear of God before their eyes.

19Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

20Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

27Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

29Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

30Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

31Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

 

[Your closest friendnt]

4 hours ago, JimmyB said:

Everyone sins even Christians.  It has nothing to do with your salvation.  If you have accepted Christ as your savior and try to live as He directs by the Holy Spirit there is nothing to worry about.  However, if you keep on deliberately sinning...

Hebrews 10:26, "If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left

Those are not the words of Jesus. Who said seventy times seventy...

He has died on the Cross he can not take the back.

He will never hold our sins against us...Paul said the accudatory paper about our sins has been nail on the Cross. 

In the day we appear before Jesus after we die the first thing Jesus is looking up is if we have believe in him.  Amen!