Is this Correct Teaching???

[Michael37]

7 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

I did not understand what it was all about and I asked...without any animosity. Still I  do not understand...but some times we have to live with things we do not understand. Blessings.

Yes, @Your closest friendnt So what do you know about The Foolish Galatians?

[Truth Seeker 71]

On 8/13/2023 at 5:55 PM, Stan Murff said:

James 5:19,20

Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;

Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

I have other discussions about this going elsewhere and this utube preacher sent me this verse and says if it were not possible to lose salvation then this verse would not be in the bible at all.

He’s saying this verse is speaking directly to the brethren and is saying it shows that it’s possible for some brethren to err from the truth as in turning away from God

And he says it’s obvious that this verse is saying that erring from the truth makes one a sinner again who is in need of being saved again from death and from their sins.

For those that believe you cannot lose salvation, what say you? 

 

I think we can't lose it but that we dont have it until He returns.

Matthew 10:22, “And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.”

 

Matt 24:12-13, “And because of the increase in lawlessness, the love of many shall become cold. But he who shall have endured to the end shall be saved.”

 

Hebrews 10:36-8, “For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of the Mighty One you may receive what is promised. 37 For yet a little while – He who is coming shall come and shall not delay. 38 But the righteous shall live by belief, but if anyone draws back, my being has no pleasure in him.”

 

Hebrews 10:36-8, “For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of the Mighty One you may receive what is promised. 37 For yet a little while – He who is coming shall come and shall not delay. 38 But the righteous shall live by belief, but if anyone draws back, my being has no pleasure in him.”

 

Hebrews 3:14, “For we have become partakers of Messiah if we hold fast the beginning of our trust firm to the end.”

 

Revelation 3:12, "He who overcomes, I will make a pillar in The House of My Father, and he will never go out of it. And I will write upon him the Name of My Father, and the Name of the New Yerusalem which comes down out of heaven from My Father, newly named."

 

James 1:12, "Blessed is the man who does endure trial, for when he has been proved, he shall receive the crown of life which the Master has promised to those who love Him."

 

Revelation 3:21, “To him who overcomes I shall give to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.”

[steve morrow]

--AGAIN--       OSAS--- NO  

HEBREWS 10:36  for you have need of patience that --- after you have done the will of  GOD  you might receive the promise ---

--10:37-- for yet a little while and  HE  that shall come will come and will not tarry

--10:38--  now the just shall live by faith --- but if any man drawback  ---   MY  soul shall have no pleasure in him ---

--10:39--  but we are not of them who drawback into perdition --- but of them that  --believe--  to the saving of the soul ---

 

MATTHEW 10:22  and you shall be hated of all men for  MY  names sake --- but he that endureth to the end shall be saved 

 

HELP  US  O LORD  THAT  WE  WOULD  DO  OUR  FATHERS  WILL

            THAT  WE  MAY  RECEIVE  YOUR  PROMISE 

 

ACTS 3:22  for moses truly said unto the fathers a prophet shall--THE  LORD  YOUR  GOD-- raise up unto you of your brethren like unto me  HIM  shall you hear in all things whatsoever  HE  shall say unto you 

--3:23--  and it shall come to pass that every soul --- which will not hear that prophet  ---  shall  be  destroyed  from  among  the  people---

ACTS 5:32  go stand and speak in the temple to the people all the words of this life 

 

COLOSSIANS 1:21 and you that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by --wicked works-- yet now hath  HE  reconciled 

--1:22--  in the body of  HIS  flesh through death to present you  unblameable and unreproveable in  HIS  sight

--1:23--  --IF  YOU  CONTINUE--  in the faith grounded and settled  ---and be  --not moved--  away from the hope of the gospel which you have heard and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven whereof I paul am made a minister

1 PETER 1:25  but the word of  THE  LORD  endureth forever --- and this is the word which --by the gospel is preached unto you--

 

ACTS 20:24  but none of these things move me neither count I my life dear unto myself so that I might finish my course with joy --- and the ministry which I have received of  THE  LORD  JESUS  to testify --- the gospel of the grace of  GOD ---

 

TITUS 2:11  for the grace of  GOD  that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men---

--2:12-- TEACHING  US -- that denying ungodliness and worldy lusts we should live soberly -- righteously -- and godly -- in this present world

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST

 

 

 

 

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, Michael37 said:

Yes, @Your closest friendnt So what do you know about The Foolish Galatians?

Thank you. What I read about those people they were believers who got things mixed up...

I believe that they were believing that Jesus Christ died for the forgiveness of their sins but they were persuaded by some other people believers also to incorporate some of the Jewish customs such as Paul is mentioning...

The point that is in my heart is that they were still believing Jesus died for the forgiveness of their sins and they did not go back to seek forgiveness of their sins in the rituals done in the Temple. 

[Michael37]

2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Thank you. What I read about those people they were believers who got things mixed up...

I believe that they were believing that Jesus Christ died for the forgiveness of their sins but they were persuaded by some other people believers also to incorporate some of the Jewish customs such as Paul is mentioning...

The point that is in my heart is that they were still believing Jesus died for the forgiveness of their sins and they did not go back to seek forgiveness of their sins in the rituals done in the Temple. 

Paul had concerns regarding the Galatians' fall from grace, chapter 5 verse 4, then verses 18 to 21 regarding those who cannot inherit the kingdom of God. Often backsliders are idolators, having replaced God with some other thing they worship.

[Your closest friendnt]

7 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

Paul had concerns regarding the Galatians' fall from grace, chapter 5 verse 4, then verses 18 to 21 regarding those who cannot inherit the kingdom of God. Often backsliders are idolators, having replaced God with some other thing they worship.

There were many churches in Galatian. Paul's letter is to the church, to believers in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of their sins by the blood of Jesus Christ without any prerequisite atouch to the message of the Gospel such as the need to be Circumcised for your faith to be accepted and your sins to be forgiven by Jesus Christ. 

They were preaching that your faith in Jesus Christ is not accepted without the Circumcision. 

This is what Paul called fall from Grace to add that prerequisite to the message of the Gospel. 

Paul told them that in this way you are trying to earn what you already have by faith alone in Jesus Christ. 

If someone is in this or some similar error that does not make him an unbeliever because to be in that error someone must be a believer in Jesus Christ...

 

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

6 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Yes, @Your closest friendnt So what do you know about The Foolish Galatians?

They "fell from grace" after having been born again... this is one of the proof texts that once saved always saved is false doctrine.

It's funny to here all the word salad gymnastics the OSAS people throw out to try and convince others that these folks either did not fall from grace or where never saved in the first place.  Pretty funny stuff for sure!

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

6 hours ago, Truth Seeker 71 said:

I think we can't lose it but that we dont have it until He returns.

 

That's like a doctor telling their patient to not exercise until they get in to better shape... so the patient tells the doctor, don't bill me until I pay you!




 

Edited August 22, 2023 by Stan Murff

[Michael37]

2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

If someone is in this or some similar error that does not make him an unbeliever because to be in that error someone must be a believer in Jesus Christ...

Exactly.

To fall from grace requires first being in grace, and backsliding requires first being in the position of a believer, of being known by God, as Paul says the Galatians were, and as the Psalmist says Israel was, being called MY PEOPLE by God.

(Psa 81:11)  "But My people would not heed My voice, And Israel would have none of Me.
(Psa 81:12)  So I gave them over to their own stubborn heart, To walk in their own counsels.

[steve morrow]

WE  DONT  HAVE  IT  UNTIL  HE  RETURNS 

 

MATTHEW 7:21  not everyone that saith unto  ME  LORD  LORD  shall enter into the kingdom of heaven  ---  but he that doeth the will of  MY  FATHER  which is in heaven---

 

ROMANS 13:11  and that knowing the time that now it is hightime to awake out of deep sleep --- for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed ---

 

AGAIN  ---  HEBREWS 10:36  for you have need of patience that after you have --- done the will of  GOD  ---  you might receive the promise ---

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST