A Process Or Now

[Rockson]

Looking for some input here. In the particular gathering of believers that I attend there seems to be a lack of insisting on having one's life right before God. Don't get me wrong. I do love the people where I go and the leaders, fine good loving people but there seems to be a disconnect that God does insist on certain things. One thing is living together without marriage. The idea my leaders seem to have is show them love and the sanctification process will eventually take hold. Now I don't believe we're perfect the moment we get saved. I believe there's a process of sonification YES however with somethings NOT. 

Example. If one is a bank robber and he gets saved, water baptized but then tells us eventually he's planning to do the right thing and give up stealing and robbing what do we say? We say hold on now. Your day for that is DONE and it's done now! Or if a person is a drug dealer and says you know I'm planning some time in the future to give up my trade but I've got a deal going down in the next day or so what do you say?

We say NOPE, you're done....YOU CAN'T DO THAT one more moment. Yes sanctification of life can be a process but never should it be thought that way about some things. I believe people living together common law is one of them for 1 Cor 5 talks about this and things similar. Paul stated don't you know a little leaven leavens the whole lump and he says what to do about it. 

So what do you people think here. I believe decisive action needs to take place when it comes to things like this. What say you? Appreciate your input. 

[Neighbor]

7 hours ago, Rockson said:

So what do you people think here. I believe decisive action needs to take place when it comes to things like this. What say you? Appreciate your input. 

My "opinion" God can fix it.

One of my most fond memories in that area of concern occurred when my pastor addressed a couple during Sunday's worship services saying, This couple (He called them by name) and myself were talking this morning about their not getting married before God. They said that after seven years they are  indeed ready. So I ask of them are you ready? If so we can get it fixed right now.

They looked at him and declared yes! We went right into their  wedding ceremony before God amongst the congregation. 

God can fix it indeed.

[BibleStudent100]

7 hours ago, Rockson said:

One thing is living together without marriage

The Bible places fornicators and adulterers (even if they are in "committed relationships") in the same category as homosexuals.  This understanding is repeated numerous times in the Bible, one of which is this verse:

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexuals, 1 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 6: 9,10

[Neighbor]

Marriage is made rather complicated by government, more so than by God. Government rulings laws and decisions that come about because of  government rules pertaining to marriage get very complicated. SO I personally understand why many do not get married before government authority, as contrasted with being married in the sight of God.

Would I do it a third time? Not before government  authority I would not. Though I am quite content to have gone through even the government process to comply with civil laws for my wife's sake, doing so even a second time.

p.s. Sometimes you have to walk a mile in another person's shoes in order to gain valid understanding of the effect of your own demands and opinions about what the other person must do.

p.p.s. I'll go a step further and declare  that government approved  marriage is now so convoluted as to be an abomination before God.

 

 

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[Neighbor]

Want to kill the romance of being a couple intending to spend life together, go through a pre nup agreement process so that  all the government rules are covered should the marriage end ( And it will one way or another). It (The pre  nup) is actually a divorce settlement combined with a last will and testament package written up and agreed to  before marriage.

Wow bummer of a time and expensive too, might cost more than a wedding ceremony itself. But when undertaking marriage under government authority it is an absolute need even if the marriage lasts until "death do us part" and does not end in a divorce.

[Yes, and]

8 hours ago, Rockson said:

I believe decisive action needs to take place when it comes to things like this. What say you?

I have questions:

1) Who do you believe should take decisive action?

2) What kind of action do you envision needs to be taken?

3) Is there any action you could take?

4) If not, why not?

[AnOrangeCat]

44 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

Marriage is made rather complicated by government, more so than by God. Government rulings laws and decisions that come about because of  government rules pertaining to marriage get very complicated. SO I personally understand why many do not get married before government authority, as contrasted with being married in the sight of God.

This is an excellent point. There can be times when being married from a legal perspective is going to be a disadvantage, and many young couples may face financial difficulties. A commitment made before God ought to be enough. I'm also going to say that merely living together is by no means a sin. It's certainly a risk factor and more temptation than many can handle. That's why it's frowned on and advised against. But it's not inherently fornication. We shouldn't assume that it is and place ourselves in judgement over people who are living under the same roof. These days having roommates is a fact of early adult life for many.

That said, when it comes to young couples in particular, it's definitely fair to ask whether or not they've made a true and serious commitment.

[Neighbor]

9 hours ago, Rockson said:

I believe there's a process of sonification YES however with somethings NOT. 

Ah perhaps for another thread topic: sonification; yes but not?

Okay, but no. 

Off topic a tad- How about instant justification? Justification that fully covers the lack of full sanctification. Well except of course for positional sanctification  as that too is instant in the mix,- just add water?

Ah the merry go round goes round and round with  men reaching for the brass ring for another free ride  in a circle on a wooden horse. 

KISS, Jesus Saves

[Stewardofthemystery]

10 hours ago, Rockson said:

Looking for some input here. In the particular gathering of believers that I attend there seems to be a lack of insisting on having one's life right before God. Don't get me wrong. I do love the people where I go and the leaders, fine good loving people but there seems to be a disconnect that God does insist on certain things. One thing is living together without marriage. The idea my leaders seem to have is show them love and the sanctification process will eventually take hold. Now I don't believe we're perfect the moment we get saved. I believe there's a process of sonification YES however with somethings NOT. 

Example. If one is a bank robber and he gets saved, water baptized but then tells us eventually he's planning to do the right thing and give up stealing and robbing what do we say? We say hold on now. Your day for that is DONE and it's done now! Or if a person is a drug dealer and says you know I'm planning some time in the future to give up my trade but I've got a deal going down in the next day or so what do you say?

We say NOPE, you're done....YOU CAN'T DO THAT one more moment. Yes sanctification of life can be a process but never should it be thought that way about some things. I believe people living together common law is one of them for 1 Cor 5 talks about this and things similar. Paul stated don't you know a little leaven leavens the whole lump and he says what to do about it. 

So what do you people think here. I believe decisive action needs to take place when it comes to things like this. What say you? Appreciate your input. 

1 Corinthians 7:2

Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

1 Corinthians 10:8

Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

1 Corinthians 5:1

It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornicationas is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

1 Corinthians 6:13

Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.

1 Corinthians 6:18

Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

2 Corinthians 12:21

And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.

Galatians 5:19

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

Ephesians 5:3

But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

Colossians 3:5

Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

1 Thessalonians 4:3

For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:

Jude 1:7

Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”

 

1 Corinthians 7:9

But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

[JimmyB]

10 hours ago, Rockson said:

Looking for some input here. In the particular gathering of believers that I attend there seems to be a lack of insisting on having one's life right before God. Don't get me wrong. I do love the people where I go and the leaders, fine good loving people but there seems to be a disconnect that God does insist on certain things. One thing is living together without marriage. The idea my leaders seem to have is show them love and the sanctification process will eventually take hold. Now I don't believe we're perfect the moment we get saved. I believe there's a process of sonification YES however with somethings NOT. 

Example. If one is a bank robber and he gets saved, water baptized but then tells us eventually he's planning to do the right thing and give up stealing and robbing what do we say? We say hold on now. Your day for that is DONE and it's done now! Or if a person is a drug dealer and says you know I'm planning some time in the future to give up my trade but I've got a deal going down in the next day or so what do you say?

We say NOPE, you're done....YOU CAN'T DO THAT one more moment. Yes sanctification of life can be a process but never should it be thought that way about some things. I believe people living together common law is one of them for 1 Cor 5 talks about this and things similar. Paul stated don't you know a little leaven leavens the whole lump and he says what to do about it. 

So what do you people think here. I believe decisive action needs to take place when it comes to things like this. What say you? Appreciate your input. 

Why do you equate living together with intercourse?  Are you seriously comparing people living together with robbing a bank??  Really?  What prompts you to make such a comparison?  One is people living under the same roof, the other is forcing people to give money illegally under threat of violence.  There is no0 comparison between the two!