How did these get in the Bible???

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

Since we are not supposed to DO anything to be saved, are there errors in the Bible?

 

Seems like the following verses say we should DO some stuff so shouldn't the Bible be amended and these verses removed since they are obviously false entries right?

 

1 John 3:7

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that DOES righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous.

 

1 John 1:6

If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and DO not the truth:

 

Acts 26:20

But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and DO works meet for repentance.

[Michael37]

 

49 minutes ago, Stan Murff said:

How did these get in the Bible???

Same way as this:

Eph 2:8-10  For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,  (9)  not of works, lest anyone should boast.  (10)  For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

Getting saved by grace through faith is not of works.

The good works are evidence of being saved by grace through faith. 
 

[TheBlade]

2 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

Since we are not supposed to DO anything to be saved, are there errors in the Bible?

 

Seems like the following verses say we should DO some stuff so shouldn't the Bible be amended and these verses removed since they are obviously false entries right?

 

1 John 3:7

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that DOES righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous.

 

1 John 1:6

If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and DO not the truth:

 

Acts 26:20

But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and DO works meet for repentance.

Maybe God is talking to you and your not listening? In 1st John there were those that believed they were saved yet had no sin and believed other things. 

Context.. some were trying to twist the concept of holiness and lead believers astray so John gave them a direct warning against such predators. regardless of any contrary teaching it remains true that only the person who actually lives a righteous life deserves the title righteous. Words are insufficient. We must live according to Christs pattern.   

1 John 1 6 if we claim fellowship with God yet habitually walk in darkness hidden from the light.. well we lie and do not practice the truth. 

Would it not be easier to just admit what you believe and then talk about these scriptures? Nothing has changed.. I am still in right standing with my Father because I believe in Jesus period I don't ever have to do another thing. Yet the fruit that only comes from the vine are works of righteousness. Its meat

[Neighbor]

..."Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,  nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God."...

There is not only "stuff" one must do, there is stuff one cannot do and inherit the kingdom of God. That salvation from destruction is by God alone does not mean God has no standard. His standard is exacting, perfection. How can any person be seen as perfect in God's sight is the issue.

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

2 hours ago, TheBlade said:

I am still in right standing with my Father because I believe in Jesus period I don't ever have to do another thing

There ya go!  One can live the old life they lived in sin before they got saved and still be saved!

Just ignore the Lord and keep on trucking in whatever one's favorite sin is.

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

7 hours ago, Michael37 said:

The good works are evidence of being saved by grace through faith. 

 

So it's true as the Book of James says... faith without works is dead as in a kind of faith that is not accepted by the Lord right?

Maybe the God kind of faith (Galatians 2:20), the kind of faith that He accepts as saving faith... causes one to turn away from evil works (walking after the flesh) do good works (walking after the Spirit)?

We know there IS condemnation to those that are in Christ who walk after the flesh:

Romans 8:1

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 

Romans 8:13,14

For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

[Michael37]

3 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

So it's true as the Book of James says... faith without works is dead as in a kind of faith that is not accepted by the Lord right?

Maybe the God kind of faith (Galatians 2:20), the kind of faith that He accepts as saving faith... causes one to turn away from evil works (walking after the flesh) do good works (walking after the Spirit)?

We know there IS condemnation to those that are in Christ who walk after the flesh:

Romans 8:1

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 

Romans 8:13,14

For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Your next assignment is to show why repentance from dead works is fundamental to the building and maintaining of a right relationship with God and with all people.

[AnOrangeCat]

13 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

So it's true as the Book of James says... faith without works is dead as in a kind of faith that is not accepted by the Lord right?

Maybe the God kind of faith (Galatians 2:20), the kind of faith that He accepts as saving faith... causes one to turn away from evil works (walking after the flesh) do good works (walking after the Spirit)?

I think you're on the right track here. We're mostly all familiar with the phrase "faith without works is dead" but the phrase is often used without the example James gave us. In his example he says faith without works is like seeing a brother or sister poor and destitute and saying "Go in peace and be warm and fed." to them and then doing nothing to meet that need. It's not very loving at all and doesn't comply with the second great commandment Jesus spoke of: To love our neighbors as ourselves.

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

28 minutes ago, AnOrangeCat said:

I think you're on the right track here. We're mostly all familiar with the phrase "faith without works is dead" but the phrase is often used without the example James gave us. In his example he says faith without works is like seeing a brother or sister poor and destitute and saying "Go in peace and be warm and fed." to them and then doing nothing to meet that need. It's not very loving at all and doesn't comply with the second great commandment Jesus spoke of: To love our neighbors as ourselves.

Exactly, which is like seeing someone who claims to be a Christian doing things that are sinful.
It proves they are not in the faith that is acceptable to the Lord.

And yet the once saved always saved crowd still argues that Christians still go to Heaven if they do sin including when they know what they are doing is sinful and still do it anyway.

They get this from John Calvin, the reformers who failed to go back to the Bible, and the catholics who are all over the map.

With the catholics, you can be a mifia don and whack somebody and still be right with God as long as you confess your sins to one of their priests, say a few hail marys, and make a nice cash donation to their priest to cover the "indulgence".  That's pretty crazy!

Edited August 18, 2023 by Stan Murff

[enoob57]

57 minutes ago, AnOrangeCat said:

"faith without works is dead"

So many try to draw this into a dependent work solution toward salvation... when in fact-> it is reality of the heart that has been reborn into God's keeping! The foundation of truth is such:
If one relies on works to save them they are divided out in salvation part God part self...
If one relies on God to save them they are unified by God by dependence upon God alone in salvation... fulfilling this:

Titus 3:5 (KJV)

[5] Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

The fact that works are born out of a new s/Spirit that came about by God's mercy and not by works tells us what John meant:

1 John 2:19 (KJV)

[19] They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

There is simply nothing for the born of God to go back to and they will produce works but all their produce may not be kept as from God:

1 Corinthians 3:12 (KJV)

[12] Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

[13] Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

[14] If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

[15] If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

As these are children of God and have works that burn up ... means we cannot judge with certainty their works... thus only God knows the heart and He alone is Judge! Satan wants all to rely on anything other than God ... for if your reliance is upon anything other than God, such as, works you will suffer loss but will be tested by the very fire that reveals what is kept eternally!