The Precious Blood of Jesus Demolishes Your Guilt of Sin

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

5 hours ago, Rockson said:

No I don't mean that at all. I'm assuming the person is feeling bad and remorseful and wants to overcome whatever sin but how to deal with the condemnation and guilt people are struggling with. I'll say you're right to point that out but NO that's not what I mean. 

I know you didn't mean that... my point was Gospel presentations need to always remind people that we must repent because one cannot continue in sin and be in right standing with the Lord at the same time.

What fellowship has light with darkness? (2 Corinthians 6:14)

He that does right is right even as He is right (1 John 3:7)

Most people that feel guilty are still involved in wrong doing whether it be actual sin or the sin of unbelief.

And the devil will certainly help with both if we give place to him.

[Vine Abider]

36 minutes ago, Stan Murff said:

And the once saved always saved crowd will insist that those who got born again and continued in sin.... will still go to Heaven,

This is what is so dangerous about false OSAS teaching is because it causes those young in the faith to stumble as many of them will actually continue in sin based on hearing people say "you can never lose your salvation"

What crowd?  I see no crowd!  Sounds like you are trying to neatly categorize a bunch of your brothers & sisters into some box you've constructed, whereby we all think exactly the same thing. 

And why do we want to go to heaven?  I've heard some say the New Jerusalem will come to the earth - if that's true, shouldn't that be where we want to be?!

(and better to scare the bejeepers outa those "young in the faith" by telling them they'll loose it all if they sin, right?)

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

6 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

And why do we want to go to heaven?  I've heard some say the New Jerusalem will come to the earth - if that's true, shouldn't that be where we want to be?!

After the Great Tribulation and after the Lord re-creates the heavens and the earth... does the Lord move to earth to forever be with His man.

In between now and then, there is a Heaven which is where those that actually abide in Christ go when they die and their physical body is buried.

Psalm 48:2
the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.

This is in Heaven right now where the Lord Jesus is seated on the right hand of God.

To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord (2 Corinthians 5:8)

Ultimately, Heave is where the Father is and one day He will move Heaven to the new earth.

 

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

15 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

(and better to scare the bejeepers outa those "young in the faith" by telling them they'll loose it all if they sin, right?)

See, there you go again... we can continue to live in sin and still be saved and right with the Lord and go to Heaven.

We can all let our freak flag fly... it's the weekend you know!  Just don't let the pastor know we're out doing sin!

 

[Vine Abider]

2 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

See, there you go again... we can continue to live in sin and still be saved and right with the Lord and go to Heaven.

We can all let our freak flag fly... it's the weekend you know!  Just don't let the pastor know we're out doing sin!

 

Fear is a good foundation for a new believer's walk then?

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

They should be taught the fear of the Lord... and know that's It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God (Hebrews 10:31)

Telling them they cannot possibly lose their salvation  is a stumbling block, it's not biblical, and it encourages people to go ahead and live in sin and is in fact a "license to sin" (aka cheap grace)

The wages of sin is still separation from the Lord which is what spiritual death is and is what happened when the first human beings did their sin.   Young believers should be told the whole counsel of God, not a select few happy verses which is being a cherry picker.

God's Word cannot be treated like a buffet line where some entrees are optional and we only pick the ones we like.

Some ministries today should be called Bits and Pieces Ministries - Where we don't teach all of God's Word, we just teach,,, you know, bits and pieces!  LoL!

Edited August 25, 2023 by Stan Murff

[Vine Abider]

1 hour ago, Stan Murff said:

They should be taught the fear of the Lord... and know that's It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God (Hebrews 10:31)

Telling them they cannot possibly lose their salvation  is a stumbling block, it's not biblical, and it encourages people to go ahead and live in sin and is in fact a "license to sin" (aka cheap grace)

The wages of sin is still separation from the Lord which is what spiritual death is and is what happened when the first human beings did their sin.   Young believers should be told the whole counsel of God, not a select few happy verses which is being a cherry picker.

God's Word cannot be treated like a buffet line where some entrees are optional and we only pick the ones we like.

Some ministries today should be called Bits and Pieces Ministries - Where we don't teach all of God's Word, we just teach,,, you know, bits and pieces!  LoL!

Two simple questions @Stan Murff:  1. Are you born-again?  2. And if so, that life, which is born in you from Him, can it be removed?  

[BeyondET]

Nothing is impossible only with man.

Edited August 26, 2023 by BeyondET

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

6 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

Two simple questions @Stan Murff:  1. Are you born-again?  2. And if so, that life, which is born in you from Him, can it be removed?  

The Word of the Lord is very clear in Gal 6:7,8.... God is not mocked, we reap what we sow.  If we sow to the flesh (sin) we shall of the flesh reap corruption (spiritual death, separation from God).

This means we are no longer in right standing with the Lord because we have become corrupted due to having turned our backs on the Lord and choosing to go do sin.  It's like metal that has rusted... it's not long any good.

We know this is true due to verses telling us to repent and turn away from our sin and confessing our sin to the Lord so we once again be in right standing with Him.  To say we are still in right standing with the Lord while we are sinning is mocking God!  See you are not considering the plain reading of scripture but deep down you already know that.

Here's some passages that the OSAS crowd never mention and don't talk about...


John 15:5
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

John 15:1,2
I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
 

Jude 1:5,6
I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

*If once saved always saved was true, then the Lord would not be speaking thru Jude to put us in remembrance about what happened to those that quit believing (turned their backs on the Lord to live in opposition to Him which is to live in sin).

*If angels having been created perfect turn away from the Lord and be separated from Him forever, we would experience the same.  Thankfully, the Lord has provided a way for man to confess and forsake sin in order to receive mercy (see Proverbs 28:13), but if we continue in our sin we will not have mercy due having turned away from the Lord

Ezekiel 18:20 (see Romans 8:13)
The soul that sinneth, it shall die.
 

Ezekiel 18:20-24
 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.

Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?

But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
 

Ezekiel 18:26,27
When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, and dies in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.

Again, when the wicked man turns away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
 

Colossians 1:21-23
And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

IF ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven.

*A condition is given here to be righteous before the Lord which is IF we continue in the faith.
 

 

Edited August 26, 2023 by Stan Murff

[Vine Abider]

19 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

Two simple questions @Stan Murff:  1. Are you born-again?  2. And if so, that life, which is born in you from Him, can it be removed?  

I must have missed your answer to these two specific questions @Stan Murff . . . so I thought to ask again.