The Problem With Evolution Part 2- Animals

[The Barbarian]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

So Ex 20:11 isn't literal either?

I don't see why repeating figurative verses would convert them to literal history.

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

Your theory about needing a sun for morning hasn't been substantiated.

By definition.   That's what the word means.

[RV_Wizard]

12 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

That excuse won't work.   If just a light in the sky would suffice, moonrise would be morning. 

The moon didn't exist until day four, and it only REFLECTS the light of the sun.  SUNSHINE comes from the sun.  MOONSHINE comes from Tennessee.

12 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

See above.   If your argument requires redefining words, that's a pretty good clue that it needs some work.

Sorry, but you get an F.

[The Barbarian]

9 hours ago, Sparks said:

Revelation describes our future in which God will be our sun.

In the physical world, the sun is a big mass of thermonuclear reactions.    So that's what we have and always have had.    Of course, there won't be mornings or evenings in Heaven, either.

 

[The Barbarian]

That excuse won't work.   If just a light in the sky would suffice, moonrise would be morning. 

1 minute ago, RV_Wizard said:

The moon didn't exist until day four, and it only REFLECTS the light of the sun. 

Nevertheless, if "big light in the sky" defines "morning" then moonrise would be morning.    Words mean things.   If you have to redefine them to make your case, that's an indication your case is faulty.

 

[The Barbarian]

9 hours ago, Sparks said:

Uni = One   Verse = Sentence

No.   I just showed you the etymology for universe.   

universe (n.)

1580s, "the whole world, cosmos, the totality of existing things," from Old French univers (12c.), from Latin universum "all things, everybody, all people, the whole world," noun use of neuter of adjective universus "all together, all in one, whole, entire, relating to all," literally "turned into one," from unus "one" (from PIE root *oi-no- "one, unique") + versus, past participle of vertere "to turn, turn back, be turned; convert, transform, translate; be changed" (from PIE root *wer- (2) "to turn, bend").also from 1580s

"Verse" and "universe" have a common root in proto-Indoeuropean, but the verse in "universe" has a different meaning.    "Verse" when used as a noun, refers to a line of poetry.

 

[RV_Wizard]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

And all this is solved by understanding that God created the universe by spaking it into existence in a moment.  Then, much later, He restored the earth for man's use.

Of what use would the earth be with no light, no heat and no other planets; just a lone rock floating in nothingness?  The measurable time of the creation begins with the creation of light in verse 3.  However, since verses were added later to make the Bible easier to read, when it was written there WAS NO verse 2.  So the issue of long ages prior to the creation is meaningless. It's just n excuse to appease the Old Earth crowd.

[RV_Wizard]

14 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

Science is the process of being less and less wrong about the universe.

Science is no closer to finding a natural explanation for a supernatural creation than you are to seeing your tailbone without a camera or reflective surface.  The truth lies with God and God's word, not within the rock he created for us to be born on.

[RV_Wizard]

17 minutes ago, The Barbarian said:

Nevertheless, if "big light in the sky" defines "morning" then moonrise would be morning.    Words mean things.   If you have to redefine them to make your case, that's an indication your case is faulty.

Genesis 1: 

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

There is no mention of starrise, though they are lights in the sky, nor of moonrise.  The evening and the morning came then as it does now, from a light strong enough to blanket the earth on one side  Now it is the sun.  In the first three days it was called "Light."  You don't believe this because your faith lies with the science of man rather than the word of God; with the study of the creation above the study of the Creator.  Your words are not a fortification to the faith of others, but a corrosive cancer with which to make others doubt the word of God.  Sorry, the Bible is right and you're wrong.  God created man,  He didn't evolve man.  God has dominion over the animals.  He doesn't owe to them his ancestry. 

[Neighbor]

15 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

Science is the process of being less and less wrong about the universe.

Then eventually science will discover God, and then God's word the Bible to be literally true.

[Neighbor]

4 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

Then eventually science will discover God, and then God's word the Bible to be literally true.

And we will still walk by faith not by sight! For God will make it so  then, just as He does now. He will still turn over those that rebel  in their sins against Him by denying Him, His commands and precepts to their own strong delusions.