Jesus's coming and Jesus's reign

[SpiritSong]

As a newbie I am reluctant to post in the eschatology section, but:

Will Jesus's coming be the start of His millennial reign on earth? If so, will He be reigning on this present earth or on the new earth He will make?

All thoughts welcome,

Many thanks 👍

[Michael37]

20 minutes ago, SpiritSong said:

As a newbie I am reluctant to post in the eschatology section, but:

Will Jesus's coming be the start of His millennial reign on earth? If so, will He be reigning on this present earth or on the new earth He will make?

All thoughts welcome,

Many thanks 👍

Here's one perspective, but there are others.

The second coming of Christ is a significant event in Christianity. It is believed that Jesus will return to Earth in a personal, visible, and glorious manner ¹. The Bible teaches that before establishing His kingdom on Earth, Jesus will come for His Church, an event commonly referred to as the “Rapture” ¹. At this time, the dead in Christ will be raised, and living Christians will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air and be with Him forever ¹. After the Rapture of the Church, Christians will be brought before the judgment seat of Christ. He will reward them based on the works they have accomplished ¹. The Rapture will also inaugurate a period that the Bible characterizes as the “great day of His wrath,” “the great tribulation,” and the “time of Jacob’s trouble” ¹. This time of unprecedented difficulty will affect Israel and all nations. Its purpose will be to prepare Israel for her Messiah ¹. At the end of the Tribulation, Jesus Christ will return with the hosts of heaven as well as the Church to establish the Messianic Kingdom on Earth ¹. His Kingdom will last for a thousand years ¹. After this judgment, there will be a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness is the norm. There will be a new Jerusalem and the everlasting presence of God among all the redeemed ¹.

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[SpiritSong]

So will He reign in the new earth? 

What do you think about these verses?

 

Zechariah 14:3-5

3 Then the Lord will go forth

And fight against those nations,

As He fights in the day of battle.

4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,

Which faces Jerusalem on the east.

And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,

From east to west,

Making a very large valley;

Half of the mountain shall move toward the north

And half of it toward the south.

 

5 Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,

For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.

Yes, you shall flee

As you fled from the earthquake

In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.

 

Thus the Lord my God will come,

And all the saints with [a]You.

[AdHoc]

On 9/9/2023 at 11:06 PM, SpiritSong said:

As a newbie I am reluctant to post in the eschatology section, but:

Will Jesus's coming be the start of His millennial reign on earth? If so, will He be reigning on this present earth or on the new earth He will make?

All thoughts welcome,

Many thanks 👍

 

1 hour ago, SpiritSong said:

So will He reign in the new earth? 

What do you think about these verses?

 

Zechariah 14:3-5

3 Then the Lord will go forth

And fight against those nations,

As He fights in the day of battle.

4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,

Which faces Jerusalem on the east.

And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,

From east to west,

Making a very large valley;

Half of the mountain shall move toward the north

And half of it toward the south.

 

5 Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,

For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.

Yes, you shall flee

As you fled from the earthquake

In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.

 

Thus the Lord my God will come,

And all the saints with [a]You.

The reign of our Lord Jesus is everlasting. The first 1,000 years of His reign are on the earth as we know it. In Matthew 5:18 our Lord said that His law would not pass "TILL heaven and earth pass". They pass at the White Throne AFTER the 1,000 years (Rev.20). You might notice that in God's Council of Genesis 1:26-28, he commanded TWO duties for man. One was to "subdue" and the other was "reign". The 1,000 year reign lies between OUR resurrection (the Church - Rev.20:4) and the resurrection of the "rest of the dead". This is confirmed in 1st Corinthians 15:23-28. We have OUR resurrection "at His coming" (v.23). Then must follow a time of SUBDUING - the rule of the rod of iron. The last enemy of God to be subdued it death. This is at the White Throne. After all men are resurrected, God can introduce the New Earth. The word "new" in the Greek means "Renewed" or " made pristine". That is, the purging fire is applied to the surface of the earth and to all the works that have no eternal value (Ps.102:26, Heb.1:11).

That is, the earth sphere remains but just as there was no sign of anything that had happened after the flood of Noah, there will be no remembrance of the evil that beset the earth from Adam to the White Throne. From this time onward, with all men resurrected and the flesh dealt with, Christ will reign and all things are subdued.

The verses you quoted in your second posting concern the Second Coming of Jesus. He will burst through the clouds over Jerusalem and touch down, as predicted in Acts Chapter 1, on Mount Olives. You will notice that in Matthew 24:1-31 is about all things Jewish. It begins with the Temple and ends with angels collecting Israel from the "four winds" of heaven. Only Israel was scattered to the "four winds" (Jer.49:36, Ezek.37:9).

[SpiritSong]

On 9/10/2023 at 11:29 PM, AdHoc said:

 

The reign of our Lord Jesus is everlasting. The first 1,000 years of His reign are on the earth as we know it. In Matthew 5:18 our Lord said that His law would not pass "TILL heaven and earth pass". They pass at the White Throne AFTER the 1,000 years (Rev.20). You might notice that in God's Council of Genesis 1:26-28, he commanded TWO duties for man. One was to "subdue" and the other was "reign". The 1,000 year reign lies between OUR resurrection (the Church - Rev.20:4) and the resurrection of the "rest of the dead". This is confirmed in 1st Corinthians 15:23-28. We have OUR resurrection "at His coming" (v.23). Then must follow a time of SUBDUING - the rule of the rod of iron. The last enemy of God to be subdued it death. This is at the White Throne. After all men are resurrected, God can introduce the New Earth. The word "new" in the Greek means "Renewed" or " made pristine". That is, the purging fire is applied to the surface of the earth and to all the works that have no eternal value (Ps.102:26, Heb.1:11).

That is, the earth sphere remains but just as there was no sign of anything that had happened after the flood of Noah, there will be no remembrance of the evil that beset the earth from Adam to the White Throne. From this time onward, with all men resurrected and the flesh dealt with, Christ will reign and all things are subdued.

The verses you quoted in your second posting concern the Second Coming of Jesus. He will burst through the clouds over Jerusalem and touch down, as predicted in Acts Chapter 1, on Mount Olives. You will notice that in Matthew 24:1-31 is about all things Jewish. It begins with the Temple and ends with angels collecting Israel from the "four winds" of heaven. Only Israel was scattered to the "four winds" (Jer.49:36, Ezek.37:9).

Apologies for such a delay in reply. I can follow what you're saying, your logic is sound to me but I think I need to do further study for myself (as the Bereans did lol).

[AdHoc]

On 9/15/2023 at 9:50 AM, SpiritSong said:

Apologies for such a delay in reply. I can follow what you're saying, your logic is sound to me but I think I need to do further study for myself (as the Bereans did lol).

I applaud that. Take your time. I do the same.