Saturday Sabbath

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

How come at the big meeting the Apostles had in the book of Acts to pray and heart from the Lord whether gentiles were required to be circumcised to be saved... they never even mentioned keeping the sabbath.

In fact, Jesus and His Apostles never taught anything about new testament believers being required to keep the Saturday sabbath.

And we see in the new testament where the Apostles held meetings on Sunday.

Yes, we are to rest from doing our own works 7 days a week, but there is no requirement for new testament believers to keep Saturday sabbath

Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

[Michael37]

2 hours ago, phoneman-777 said:

So, it's wildly inaccurate to claim Christ's entrance into the Most Holy Place for the final phase of His heavenly ministry - the Investigative Judgment - is "a denial of the finality of the Cross", ESPECIALLY WHEN BOTH THE JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA, VOL. II AND THE TALMUD BOTH PLAINLY STATE THAT THE DAY OF ATONEMENT IS THE DAY OF JUDGMENT.

Speaking of things "wildly inaccurate" . . .

Quote from link below:

The Investigative Judgment: the whole concept of the investigative judgment is antithetical to the Gospel. Jesus did not wait until 1844 to enter the Holy of Holies in heaven (Heb. 1:3; 6:19–20; 8:1; 9:6–12, 24; 12:2). Neither is he still making an atonement in heaven (Heb. 9:25–26; 10:11–14). The investigative judgment proposes to “vindicate the justice of God in saving those who believe in Jesus,” by showing they were “loyal,” “penitent,” and “faithful” commandment keepers. This is an outrage. God’s justice in saving sinners is vindicated by Christ’s death on the cross, period (Rom. 3:24–26).

 

 

[phoneman-777]

21 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Speaking of things "wildly inaccurate" . . .

Quote from link below:

The Investigative Judgment: the whole concept of the investigative judgment is antithetical to the Gospel.

Without reading anything yet, I'm fully confident Scripture will overthrow every single point from top to bottom:

21 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Jesus did not wait until 1844 to enter the Holy of Holies in heaven (Heb. 1:3)

Jesus can't be a Minister of the Sanctuary if he's sitting down - there was no chair for the high priest in the sanctuary.

So, how do these two texts harmonize?

"Sit" refers to "hold a position of authority" as in "sitting president".

21 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Hebrews 6:19–20

Two veils: the first at the entrance of the Holy and the second at the entrance of the Most Holy. He entered the first veil.

21 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Hebrews 8:1

Again:

He can't be a Minister of the Sanctuary if He's sitting on a throne - no chairs for the high priest in the Sanctuary.

Refers to His authority as being one with the Father.

21 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Hebrews 9:6–12; 24

Nothing here says He entered into the "Most Holy Place" at the writing of Paul's letter to the Hebrews.

21 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Hebrews 12:2

Again, He can't be a High Priest if He's sitting down - there were no chairs for the high priest in the Sanctuary.

Refers to His authority as being one with the Father.

21 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Neither is he still making an atonement in heaven (Heb. 9:25–26; 10:11–14).

These verses disprove the catholic mass, not the Investigative Judgment.

21 hours ago, Michael37 said:

The investigative judgment proposes to “vindicate the justice of God in saving those who believe in Jesus,” by showing they were “loyal,” “penitent,” and “faithful” commandment keepers. This is an outrage.

Outrage? Only to those who, being devoid of Christ, refuse to believe we can do "all things through Christ". Therefore, obedience is the outward evidence of the inward dwelling Christ (1 John 2:3-4 KJV) and disobedience proves otherwise.

The Investigative Judgment vindicates the justice of God in saving believers because their discovered obedience - made possible only by the indwelling power of Christ (Phillipians 4:13 KJV) - is the outward evidence that the Savior resides in the heart (1 John 2:3-4 KJV).

21 hours ago, Michael37 said:

God’s justice in saving sinners is vindicated by Christ’s death on the cross, period (Rom. 3:24–26).

God's justice is vindicated by what is MADE POSSIBLE by the Cross: the obedience of the redeemed.

 

What say you, friend? 

Edited September 12, 2023 by phoneman-777

[Michael37]

16 minutes ago, phoneman-777 said:

Without reading anything yet, I'm fully confident Scripture will overthrow every single point from top to bottom:

Jesus can't be a Minister of the Sanctuary if he's sitting down - there was no chair for the high priest in the sanctuary.

So, how do these two texts harmonize?

"Sit" refers to "hold a position of authority" as in "sitting president".

Two veils: the first at the entrance of the Holy and the second at the entrance of the Most Holy. He entered the first veil.

Again:

He can't be a Minister of the Sanctuary if He's sitting on a throne - no chairs for the high priest in the Sanctuary.

Refers to His authority as being one with the Father.

Nothing here says He entered into the "Most Holy Place" at the writing of Paul's letter to the Hebrews.

Again, He can't be a High Priest if He's sitting down - there were no chairs for the high priest in the Sanctuary.

Refers to His authority as being one with the Father.

These verses disprove the catholic mass, not the Investigative Judgment.

Outrage? Only to those who, being devoid of Christ, refuse to believe we can do "all things through Christ". Therefore, obedience is the outward evidence of the inward dwelling Christ (1 John 2:3-4 KJV) and disobedience proves otherwise.

The Investigative Judgment vindicates the justice of God in saving believers because their discovered obedience - made possible only by the indwelling power of Christ (Phillipians 4:13 KJV) - is the outward evidence that the Savior resides in the heart (1 John 2:3-4 KJV).

God's justice is vindicated by what is MADE POSSIBLE by the Cross: the obedience of the redeemed.

 

What say you, friend? 

It seems we have you as an apologist for Seventh Day Adventist dogma.

[Starise]

I just want to clarify my earlier post which is quite old. At that time I was kicking around the validity of the day the Lord would most want us to worship and rest on. I went through a process that led me to the non legalistic view that to us gentiles, it's the heart that matters most.

I'm not saying we should not be in church on a dedicated day fellowshipping and in worship with other believers. I'm simply saying I don't believe that 4th commandment still holds under the new covenant, at least for us gentiles.

Remember the commandments were upgraded to the two most basic as said from the mouth of Jesus, " Love the Lord you God with all your heart, mind and soul, secondly , love your neighbor as yourself".

All of the other commandmaents hinge on this. In other words, if we follow those two commandments, the others will be followed.

 

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

12 hours ago, phoneman-777 said:

Nothing here says He entered into the "Most Holy Place" at the writing of Paul's letter to the Hebrews.

You might want to read again....

Hebrews 9:11,12
But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by His own blood He entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

In verse 12 God's is specifically saying that Jesus entered in to the Holy Place with His own Blood and obtained eternal redemption for us.  To say He did not really puts one's own salvation in peril due to unbelief.
 

John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

This is why Jesus told them to not touch Him because He was about to ascend unto the Father... to take His Blood into the Holy place in Heaven for our redemption.

 

[TheBlade]

"Paul plainly declared that no Christian should be “judged” (i.e., condemned) for failing to observe the Sabbath (Col. 2:16) — a statement that never would have been made if the law of Moses had been binding when the apostle penned his letter."

From my understanding and studying that is not what he meant... bless you my brother for this I disagree and I pray now that is written you keep and do what you believe

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

20 hours ago, TheBlade said:

From my understanding and studying that is not what he meant

So you think Christians must follow the law of moses.... to be saved, right?

Saturday Sabbath was given under the OT law so if you are keeping that for your salvation... now you must keep the entire law.