WordSword Posted November 10, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 169 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,162 Content Per Day: 0.24 Reputation: 646 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/07/2010 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 10, 2023 1 hour ago, other one said: The capitol G's are the product of translators using the "G" when pertaining to any or all three of the trinity. As for which is in charge, right now the Father and Jesus are equal. The Holy Spirit is just communicating between us and them. However the Holy Spirit's duty is so critical that if you blaspheme him, there is no forgiveness for it and it's off to the fires with you. (not meaning you specifically) Hi, and thanks for the reply and comments! Yes, there is quite a difference in upper and lower case when using the word God. It's my understanding that all within the Trinity are equal in essence and power, but the Lord Jesus said "My Father is greater than I" (Jhn 14:28). I believe this is in reference to that the Father is "greater" in authority that Himself; as the One sending has more authority than the One being sent. Which could stand to reason that the Lord Jesus has more authority than the Spirit, whom He sent "from the Father" (Jhn 15:26). The Spirit is from the Father and the Lord Jesus is from the Father (Jhn 16:28). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted November 10, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 307 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,143 Content Per Day: 4.61 Reputation: 27,834 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted November 10, 2023 3 hours ago, WordSword said: Hi, and thanks for the reply and comments! Yes, there is quite a difference in upper and lower case when using the word God. It's my understanding that all within the Trinity are equal in essence and power, but the Lord Jesus said "My Father is greater than I" (Jhn 14:28). I believe this is in reference to that the Father is "greater" in authority that Himself; as the One sending has more authority than the One being sent. Which could stand to reason that the Lord Jesus has more authority than the Spirit, whom He sent "from the Father" (Jhn 15:26). The Spirit is from the Father and the Lord Jesus is from the Father (Jhn 16:28). Blessings WordSword Indeed this is what was Spoken by God the Son as Son of God in the flesh ,as fully man - the Father IS Greater,He Reduced Himself to Servitude when He Came to walk anong us ,as us as a human being through the woman Mary..... still Fully God and Equal in all His Glory when the flesh was changed to All His Glory God Bless you With love in Christ,Kwik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AFlameOfFire Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 What is not "treated equally" among these equals is blasphemy. Jesus tells us someone can speak a word against the Son of man and it would be forgiven but that that is not equally so with the Holy Ghost, its treated as a "greater sin" among these equals. Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AFlameOfFire Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 The "greater than's" and "lower than's" and "equal to's" and like's refer to different things too, just as he (Jesus' God) that sends is greater than the one sent (Jesus), and Jesus being made "lower than" the angels pertains to his human form and "the suffering of death" that goes with that (unlike the angelic form) while "dying no more" makes the children of the resurrection "equal to" the angels in just that alone. And "being like" or "image of" is after the resemblance, similar to a mirror image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anne2 Posted November 10, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,499 Content Per Day: 1.47 Reputation: 621 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/29/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted November 10, 2023 21 hours ago, Marilyn C said: Jesus is equal, in unity and of the same mind as the Father & Holy Spirit. However, in function there is an order - Divine Procession. Godhead - At the source there is the provision by the whole Godhead, Father - with the initial movement of the Father; Son - the administration of the Son; Holy Spirit - and the direct agency of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit proceeds * from the Father and * from the Son and * so through the Body of Christ and it members. The word `Son` in relation to the Godhead is not of procreation but means the express image of. `God ....has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom He made the worlds; who being the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power...` (Heb. 1: 1 - 3) Isn't it one essence? Three distinct (not separate) persons? I do not know if what you say agrees with this or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WordSword Posted November 10, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 169 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,162 Content Per Day: 0.24 Reputation: 646 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/07/2010 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 10, 2023 2 hours ago, kwikphilly said: Indeed this is what was Spoken by God the Son as Son of God in the flesh ,as fully man - the Father IS Greater,He Reduced Himself to Servitude when He Came to walk anong us ,as us as a human being through the woman Mary..... still Fully God and Equal in all His Glory when the flesh was changed to All His Glory Hi, and appreciate your reply and comments! Thank God Christ "humbled Himself" (Phl 2:8). Like everything you shared, and God bless! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted November 10, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,249 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,980 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted November 10, 2023 Just keep in mind that Jesus was/is Yahweh. He is the God of the old testament. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted November 10, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 267 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,226 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 8,515 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted November 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Anne2 said: Isn't it one essence? Three distinct (not separate) persons? I do not know if what you say agrees with this or not. Hi Annie, I believe there is one undivided divine nature in the Godhead which exists and manifests itself in three personal subsistences. Jesus said - "I and My Father are one." (John 10: 30) Or, according to the Athanasian Creed, which correctly summarises Bible teaching on the subject - "We worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the substance. For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, the Majesty co-eternal." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anne2 Posted November 10, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,499 Content Per Day: 1.47 Reputation: 621 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/29/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted November 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Marilyn C said: Hi Annie, I believe there is one undivided divine nature in the Godhead which exists and manifests itself in three personal subsistences. Jesus said - "I and My Father are one." (John 10: 30) Or, according to the Athanasian Creed, which correctly summarises Bible teaching on the subject - "We worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the substance. For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal.\, the Majesty co-eternal." Thank you Marilyn. All I was familiar with was one essence and distinctions vs separate. The other terms I don't really get. The way I undertstand the doctrine the co-eternal part is God the Son has existed from all eternity, As well as God the father, and God the holy Spirit. That God the Son took on Flesh without ceasing to be God. But thanks for your response. It was helpful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AFlameOfFire Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Marilyn C said: Hi Annie, I believe there is one undivided divine nature in the Godhead which exists and manifests itself in three personal subsistences. Jesus said - "I and My Father are one." (John 10: 30) Or, according to the Athanasian Creed, which correctly summarises Bible teaching on the subject - "We worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the substance. For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, the Majesty co-eternal." Marilyn C, Hey Sis, let me ask you about just that verse, because I have seen some Christians using the reaction of the Jews as some sort of validation that that was what Jesus meant by that one more specifically. For example when he said, John 10:30 I and my Father are one. We are often told that the Jews took Jesus saying, that "I and my Father are one" there as Jesus was claiming to be God "in that oneness" with the Father. Some Christians point at the Jews reaction and use that (very specifically) to actually validate what I am catching as an error (on Christians part) when they say, "We need only to look at the Jews’ reaction to know that Jesus statement was exactly to that effect (or whatever other effect elsewhere) and so it must be true that He was claiming "to be God" there. But if Jesus was really claiming to be God in saying "I and the Father are one" (as they might say it) why would Jesus pray to the Father, "that they too may be one, in John 17:11 " EVEN AS we are one? Wouldn't that make them God then by that same faulty reasoning? That's why that never made sense to me, and of course that is followed up by John 17:22 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.. Know what I am mean with that there? I am making supper while posting here, so I hope I put that out right, I can be pretty bad at multitasking, God forbid it that I miss something on this topic, all hellfire might just break out against anyone who does that haha. God's richest blessings Sis Edited November 10, 2023 by AFlameOfFire Badly worded reworded the above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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