Questions for evolution believers

[BeyondET]

All this has to happen on day six. Eve can't be formed after the seventh day and the fall of man is after the seventh or is it?

 

The Sixth very long Day

 

1:24 And God said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, land crawlers, and beasts of the earth according to their kinds.” And it was so. 1:25 God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and everything that crawls upon the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

2:5 Now no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth, nor had any plant of the field sprouted; for the LORD God had not yet sent rain upon the earth, and there was no man to cultivate the ground. 2:6 But springs welled up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground.

1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, to rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it.”

2:7 Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being.

2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden in Eden, in the east, where He placed the man He had formed. 2:9 Out of the ground the LORD God gave growth to every tree that is pleasing to the eye and good for food. And in the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

2:10 Now a river flowed out of Eden to water the garden, and from there it branched into four headwaters:

2:11 The name of the first river is Pishon; it winds through the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold. 2:12 And the gold of that land is pure, and bdellium and onyx are found there.

2:13 The name of the second river is Gihon; it winds through the whole land of Cush.

2:14 The name of the third river is Hiddekel; it runs along the east side of Assyria. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.

2:15 Then the LORD God took the man and placed him in the Garden of Eden to cultivate and keep it.

2:16 And the LORD God commanded him, “You may eat freely from every tree of the garden, 2:17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die.”

2:18 The LORD God also said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make for him a suitable helper.”

2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and He brought them to the man to see what he would name each one. And whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 2:20 The man gave names to all the livestock, to the birds of the air, and to every beast of the field. But for Adam no suitable helper was found.

2:21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep, and while he slept, He took one of the man’s ribs and closed up the area with flesh.

2:22 And from the rib that the LORD God had taken from the man, He made a woman and brought her to him.

1:27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

2:23 And the man said: “This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called ‘woman,’ for out of man she was taken.”

1:24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

1:25 And the man and his wife were both naked, and they were not ashamed.

1:28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and every creature that crawls upon the earth.”

1:29 Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every seed-bearing plant on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit contains seed. They will be yours for food. 1:30 And to every beast of the earth and every bird of the air and every creature that crawls upon the earth—everything that has the breath of life in it—I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so.

1:31 And God looked upon all that He had made, and indeed, it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array. 2:2 And by the seventh day God had finished the work He had been doing; so on that day He rested from all His work. 2:3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because on that day He rested from all the work of creation that He had accomplished.

Edited March 10, 2024 by BeyondET

[RV_Wizard]

32 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

You have already basically charged God with DECEPTION for creating the planet already mature

Please name ONE THING in creation that was not created mature.  Trees were bearing fruit on day three, with yet no sun, and despite the fact it takes 5-7 years for a tree to mature enough to bear fruit.  Fish, birds and animals were created mature and told to go forth and multiply.  Adam and Eve were both mature adults.  There was not one thing created in its infancy.  Why, then, would you think the earth would look like it just came out of an Easy Bake oven and needed to season for a few billion years?

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, BeyondET said:

All this has to happen on day six. Eve can't be formed after the seventh day and the fall of man is after the seventh or is it?

 

The Sixth very long Day

 

1:24 And God said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, land crawlers, and beasts of the earth according to their kinds.” And it was so. 1:25 God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and everything that crawls upon the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

2:5 Now no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth, nor had any plant of the field sprouted; for the LORD God had not yet sent rain upon the earth, and there was no man to cultivate the ground. 2:6 But springs welled up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground.

1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, to rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it.”

2:7 Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being.

2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden in Eden, in the east, where He placed the man He had formed. 2:9 Out of the ground the LORD God gave growth to every tree that is pleasing to the eye and good for food. And in the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

2:10 Now a river flowed out of Eden to water the garden, and from there it branched into four headwaters:

2:11 The name of the first river is Pishon; it winds through the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold. 2:12 And the gold of that land is pure, and bdellium and onyx are found there.

2:13 The name of the second river is Gihon; it winds through the whole land of Cush.

2:14 The name of the third river is Hiddekel; it runs along the east side of Assyria. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.

2:15 Then the LORD God took the man and placed him in the Garden of Eden to cultivate and keep it.

2:16 And the LORD God commanded him, “You may eat freely from every tree of the garden, 2:17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die.”

2:18 The LORD God also said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make for him a suitable helper.”

2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and He brought them to the man to see what he would name each one. And whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 2:20 The man gave names to all the livestock, to the birds of the air, and to every beast of the field. But for Adam no suitable helper was found.

2:21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep, and while he slept, He took one of the man’s ribs and closed up the area with flesh.

2:22 And from the rib that the LORD God had taken from the man, He made a woman and brought her to him.

1:27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

2:23 And the man said: “This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called ‘woman,’ for out of man she was taken.”

1:24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

1:25 And the man and his wife were both naked, and they were not ashamed.

1:28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and every creature that crawls upon the earth.”

1:29 Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every seed-bearing plant on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit contains seed. They will be yours for food. 1:30 And to every beast of the earth and every bird of the air and every creature that crawls upon the earth—everything that has the breath of life in it—I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so.

1:31 And God looked upon all that He had made, and indeed, it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array. 2:2 And by the seventh day God had finished the work He had been doing; so on that day He rested from all His work. 2:3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because on that day He rested from all the work of creation that He had accomplished.

According to the very text, there were 6 24 hour days.  So, no, the 6th day was no longer than any other day.

[FreeGrace]

2 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

FreeGrace said: 

You have already basically charged God with DECEPTION for creating the planet already mature

Please name ONE THING in creation that was not created mature. 

We're talking earth.  Planet. You know, the sphere that circles around the sun.  That thing.  It didn't need to "mature".  However, from the moment God created it, time began for it.  

But you've admitted your view is that God created the earth mature, with age.  Apparent age.  No, what is seen is real age.  Or God WOULD be deceptive.
 

2 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

There was not one thing created in its infancy.

So what?  There was no point.  But the earth didn't need to be created in a "mature" state, like Adam did.

2 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

  Why, then, would you think the earth would look like it just came out of an Easy Bake oven and needed to season for a few billion years?

Why do you persist in your baseless assumptions?  No one has any idea if the earth looked any different at creation than it did after God restored it.

Your real problem is your allergy to truth.  The literal Hebrew words in 1:2 clearly indicate the earth became a mess, which is why God restored it.  So man could live on it.

Man cannot thrive in a WASTELAND, or CHAOS, which is how "tohu" is commonly translated elsewhere in the OT.  

That is not difficult to understand.

What is difficult to understand is your strange stubbornness with the truth.

[RV_Wizard]

58 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

But you've admitted your view is that God created the earth mature, with age.

Age is man's interpretation.  God made the earth with coal in it.  Man claims that coal forms naturally over millions of years so the earth must be millions of years old, right?  Wrong.  The coal wasn't created the way people claim.  Nor were any other resources buried in the ground which we've discovered by mining or drilling.  They were there from the beginning.  God didn't need to wait billions of years.  He spoke the planet into existence ready to support life.  No lost billions of years.  The earth formed in a day.

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

No one has any idea if the earth looked any different at creation than it did after God restored it.

Since the earth was never restored, your statement is meaningless.  What is difficult to understand is your strange stubbornness with the truth.

[The Barbarian]

3 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Then we'll have to agree to disagree.  Anyway, Genesis 1 is obviously about a restoration, minus v.1, based on the OT wide use of "tohu" elsewhere.

I don't speculate.  I simply accept what Moses wrote;  but the earth became an uninhabitable wasteland.  I have no idea what happened.  Obviously, it didn't relate to man so He left it out.

Of a restoration.

No need.

Yes, we'll have to agree to disagree.   But you haven't been disagreeable about it.    I'll leave the discussion to you now.  I don't seem to have a very calming effect on some people here, and maybe I need to walk away again for a while.

 

[FreeGrace]

10 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

Age is man's interpretation.

Actually, not.  Since Adam, everyone's age is literal, all the way from the cradle to the grave.  So please don't keep kidding yourself.

10 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

  God made the earth with coal in it.

Could you point me to the verse, please?

10 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

  Man claims that coal forms naturally over millions of years so the earth must be millions of years old, right?  Wrong.

I don't know how old the earth is.  And I don't care what man claims.  I only care about what the Bible says.  As you should know by now.

10 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

  The coal wasn't created the way people claim.

I don't care.

10 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

  Nor were any other resources buried in the ground which we've discovered by mining or drilling.

Why do you speak so dogmatically when even you don't have a clue?

10 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

  They were there from the beginning.

Were you?  

10 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

  God didn't need to wait billions of years.

Who said God had to wait anyway?  You are full of red herrings.  Try another diet.

10 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

  He spoke the planet into existence ready to support life.

You don't know what the planet was ready for when created.  You are assuming everything.

10 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

  No lost billions of years.  The earth formed in a day.

I never said anything about lost years.  Why do you insist on trying to feed me your diet of red herrings?

10 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

Since the earth was never restored, your statement is meaningless.

Since the literal Hebrew clearly INDICATES that the earth was restored, your statement is worse than meaningless.  

10 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

  What is difficult to understand is your strange stubbornness with the truth.

Please say that slowly in a mirror.  You really need the advice.

[FreeGrace]

10 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

Yes, we'll have to agree to disagree.   But you haven't been disagreeable about it.    I'll leave the discussion to you now.  I don't seem to have a very calming effect on some people here, and maybe I need to walk away again for a while.

What I disagree on is the idea that Adam came from 'other vertebrates', since there is no evidence for that in the Bible.  What is in the Bible is that God created Adam from the "dust of the ground" and then breathed into his nose neshemah.  And man became a living soul.

[Starise]

12 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

Why, then, would you think the earth would look like it just came out of an Easy Bake oven and needed to season for a few billion years?

lol.

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, Starise said:

RV_Wizard said: 

Why, then, would you think the earth would look like it just came out of an Easy Bake oven and needed to season for a few billion years?

lol.

Isn't that the truth!!  He isn't even trying to understand the facts.