Don't Tell Me, Show Me

[Starise]

59 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

 

"We have REASON to have faith in God. A lost man needs to have faith to come to Christ."

 

And yet.... I was personally turned about to seeing Yeshua is God without any faith on my part whatsoever.

 I have been turned about to seeing the Lordship of Yeshua for some 43 years now.  Seems to me God must be in charge, totally sovereign over all matters, all!

I did say,  after I was confronted by an angel and then sat down to think that confrontation over also having  turned on the tv  hearing a terrible gospel presentation by a TV preacher, "if that is true I want it". And that was that.

Faith? I don't know my own experience doesn't in my mind's comprehension equate to my having faith first. I do live by faith yes. I do, but it is  in my way of thinking not  my faith that I trust in,  but instead is Jesus' faith. His faith never fails me.

Well maybe you can help us better to see how some of this works. Not putting you on the spot and I appreciate you sharing your experiences.

It seems to me that when you said you wanted what the preacher was offering, this was reaching out which might have been faith?

The angel thing would have been a big one for me that's for sure. 

Did Saul have faith? I believe he had misdirected faith until his meeting with God. Some testimonys will show that when a person reaches their absolute end, they reach out to God which sort of sounds like the "spare tire" approach. Only when at the bottom do some have a realization. SOMETHING needs to foster this realization I think, a  catalyst. I would say this is the Spirit of God, but I think He works in mysterious ways.

[Neighbor]

6 hours ago, Starise said:

Well maybe you can help us better to see how some of this works. Not putting you on the spot and I appreciate you sharing your experiences.

It seems to me that when you said you wanted what the preacher was offering, this was reaching out which might have been faith?

Hi, What I am stating is that God does what God wills to do. I cannot put God in a box and state he can only save me  after I have faith. He can make it impossible for me to deny Him and His sovereignty.

In fact, I do not think anyone has faith until they are turned about by the Holy Spirt to repentance of sin against God.  Once turned about then there is the walking by faith not by sight. I don't think an unsaved person has yet to be enabled to have  that faith which is of Yeshua.

Plus; my faith is weak, determined perhaps but weak. My strength is the faith of Yeshua, not my faith in Yeshua. Others may think of it differently, but since i did have perhaps an unusual turning about I tend to think it is a matter that God's will cannot be overcome. He has foreknown and He has predestined all  those that He has given to Yeshua, and Yeshha loses not a one given Him by his Father.