The deepening of one’s discerning….

[Not me]

1 Corinthians 2:15 (NASB20)
But the one who is spiritual discerns all things, yet he himself is discerned by no one.

     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Why is it that scripture says that no one can discern the one that is spiritual….? 

It is because one can only see into another’s relationship with Christ as deep as one’s own relationship is, for the deep can only be discerned by itself…. For if one’s relationship with Christ is ‘x’ amount of deep, to that deepness can one see into another, but the one that is spiritual can see the depths of the other’s relationship…. 

This is the truth being brought forth in the above scripture, it is not to denigrate one, but just to put forth truth the way truth is…. Case in point; as scripture says, when a woman is single her loyalties are to God, when she gets married her loyalties are now divided, it is not sin its just a matter of truth….

The same way with the truth brought forth in the above scripture… For one can only see to the depths of one’s own relationship, for one can not stand on another’s shoulders to see what another sees… All seeing must be born and grown into one’s life as a natural growth of one’s relationship with Christ….For the deep has to, and needs to be brought to life in each and every heart the same way, that way being, the more of Him and the less of oneself…. There is no substitute or half measures, for life must replace death, because one’s discerning is limited to the depth of one’s relationship with Christ….

Be blessed in the deepening of one’s discerning…..

A fellow follower, Not me 

[choir loft]

2 hours ago, Not me said:

1 Corinthians 2:15 (NASB20)
But the one who is spiritual discerns all things, yet he himself is discerned by no one.

     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Why is it that scripture says that no one can discern the one that is spiritual….? 

It is because one can only see into another’s relationship with Christ as deep as one’s own relationship is, for the deep can only be discerned by itself…. For if one’s relationship with Christ is ‘x’ amount of deep, to that deepness can one see into another, but the one that is spiritual can see the depths of the other’s relationship…. 

This is the truth being brought forth in the above scripture, it is not to denigrate one, but just to put forth truth the way truth is…. Case in point; as scripture says, when a woman is single her loyalties are to God, when she gets married her loyalties are now divided, it is not sin its just a matter of truth….

The same way with the truth brought forth in the above scripture… For one can only see to the depths of one’s own relationship, for one can not stand on another’s shoulders to see what another sees… All seeing must be born and grown into one’s life as a natural growth of one’s relationship with Christ….For the deep has to, and needs to be brought to life in each and every heart the same way, that way being, the more of Him and the less of oneself…. There is no substitute or half measures, for life must replace death, because one’s discerning is limited to the depth of one’s relationship with Christ….

Be blessed in the deepening of one’s discerning…..

A fellow follower, Not me 

The subject teeters on the edges of Gnosticism.....secret knowledge being a part....heresy of lies being a trap to be avoided.

One is known by one's fruit........  but there are a LOT of fruity people running loose in this country today.  Are all of them children of God?

Jesus said they weren't.   Why?

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

[farouk]

9 hours ago, Not me said:

1 Corinthians 2:15 (NASB20)
But the one who is spiritual discerns all things, yet he himself is discerned by no one.

     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Why is it that scripture says that no one can discern the one that is spiritual….? 

It is because one can only see into another’s relationship with Christ as deep as one’s own relationship is, for the deep can only be discerned by itself…. For if one’s relationship with Christ is ‘x’ amount of deep, to that deepness can one see into another, but the one that is spiritual can see the depths of the other’s relationship…. 

This is the truth being brought forth in the above scripture, it is not to denigrate one, but just to put forth truth the way truth is…. Case in point; as scripture says, when a woman is single her loyalties are to God, when she gets married her loyalties are now divided, it is not sin its just a matter of truth….

The same way with the truth brought forth in the above scripture… For one can only see to the depths of one’s own relationship, for one can not stand on another’s shoulders to see what another sees… All seeing must be born and grown into one’s life as a natural growth of one’s relationship with Christ….For the deep has to, and needs to be brought to life in each and every heart the same way, that way being, the more of Him and the less of oneself…. There is no substitute or half measures, for life must replace death, because one’s discerning is limited to the depth of one’s relationship with Christ….

Be blessed in the deepening of one’s discerning…..

A fellow follower, Not me 

@Not me I do love how 2 Corinthians, following on from 1 Corinthians, develops the area of spiritual discernment as regards things unseen.

[Mr. M]

10 hours ago, Not me said:

Why is it that scripture says that no one can discern the one that is spiritual….? 

What matters is to be found faithful.

Only the One to Whom we must be faithful can confirm this truth.

1 Corinthians 4:

1 Let a man so consider us, as servants of Christ 

and stewards of the mysteries of God. 

2 Moreover it is required in stewards that one be found faithful. 

3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you

or by a human court. In fact, I do not even judge myself. 

4 For I know of nothing against myself, yet I am not justified by this;

but He who judges me is the Lord. 

5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes,

who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness

and reveal the counsels of the hearts. 

Then each one’s praise will come from God.

The utter foolishness for which others pass judgment on

The Lord's servants!

1 Corinthians 9:1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? 

Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? 

Are you not my work in the Lord? 

2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you.

For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.

3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 

4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? ....

And yet, if they condemned the Lord, they will also 

condemn His servants.

Matthew 11:

16 But to what shall I liken this generation?

It is like children sitting in the marketplaces

and calling to their companions, 

17 and saying:

We played the flute for you,
And you did not dance;
We mourned to you,
And you did not lament.

18 For John came neither eating nor drinking,

and they say, He has a demon.

19 The Son of Man came eating and drinking,

and they say, Look, a glutton and a winebibber, 

a friend of tax collectors and sinners!

But wisdom is justified by her children.

Romans 14:4 Who are you to judge another’s servant?

To his own master he stands or falls.

Indeed, he will be made to stand,

for God is able to make him stand.

[Not me]

1 hour ago, farouk said:

@Not me I do love how 2 Corinthians, following on from 1 Corinthians, develops the area of spiritual discernment as regards things unseen.

Blessings Farouk as we sanctify Him as Lord, so blessed and honored are those that do…

Unto Him, Not me 

19 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

What matters is to be found faithful.

Only the One to Whom we must be faithful can confirm this truth.

1 Corinthians 4:

1 Let a man so consider us, as servants of Christ 

and stewards of the mysteries of God. 

2 Moreover it is required in stewards that one be found faithful. 

3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you

or by a human court. In fact, I do not even judge myself. 

4 For I know of nothing against myself, yet I am not justified by this;

but He who judges me is the Lord. 

5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes,

who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness

and reveal the counsels of the hearts. 

Then each one’s praise will come from God.

The utter foolishness for which others pass judgment on

The Lord's servants!

1 Corinthians 9:1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? 

Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? 

Are you not my work in the Lord? 

2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you.

For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.

3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 

4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? ....

And yet, if they condemned the Lord, they will also 

condemn His servants.

Matthew 11:

16 But to what shall I liken this generation?

It is like children sitting in the marketplaces

and calling to their companions, 

17 and saying:

We played the flute for you,
And you did not dance;
We mourned to you,
And you did not lament.

18 For John came neither eating nor drinking,

and they say, He has a demon.

19 The Son of Man came eating and drinking,

and they say, Look, a glutton and a winebibber, 

a friend of tax collectors and sinners!

But wisdom is justified by her children.

Romans 14:4 Who are you to judge another’s servant?

To his own master he stands or falls.

Indeed, he will be made to stand,

for God is able to make him stand.

Blessings as we keep our eyes on Him….

A fellow believer, Not me 

Edited November 21, 2023 by Not me

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

As it relates to discerning men in Christ, it shows the apostles discerning for us where certain people are according to their abilities (or lack of abilities) in whichever state (whether yet carnal, or spiritual) each might be. And also shares his own limitations (as one who is spiritual) in communications with them (who are not) or who are yet carnal.

Paul says,

1 Cr 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

1 Cr 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

1 Cr 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

He tells us he could only speak to them as unto carnal, as unto babes in Christ, feeding them with milk, not meat and points out the attributes of  that which is yet carnal.

Peter also starts out this way with them saying

1 Peter 2:2 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,

1 Peter 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby

Hebrews telling us

Heb 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

Hebrews adds,

Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age,

The second part of that verse says,

"even those who by reason of use" have their senses "exercised"  "to discern both good and evil."

The same sort of thing is shown in a picture of the disciples in the presence of the Lord

Luke 22:24 And there was also "a strife" among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest.

As Paul shows

1 Cr 3:3 For ye are "yet" carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, "and strife"

Just children, no meat

John 21:5 Then Jesus saith unto them, Children, have ye any meat? 

They answered him, No.

And here also

1 Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

1 Cr 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

1 Cr 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Which deep things which are spiritually discerned come by the Spirit, which things he mentions four verses earlier from the start

1 Cr 2:10 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

What's also interesting here, is when it says, 

1 Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

And compare it to what is natural here, it says

Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

Or even with what Peter shows regarding what is natural here and what it speaks evil of

2 Peter 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not;  and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

 

 

Edited November 21, 2023 by AFlameOfFire

[Not me]

41 minutes ago, AFlameOfFire said:

As it relates to discerning men in Christ, it shows the apostles discerning for us where certain people are according to their abilities (or lack of abilities) in whichever state (whether yet carnal, or spiritual) each might be. And also shares his own limitations (as one who is spiritual) in communications with them (who are not) or who are yet carnal.

Paul says,

1 Cr 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

1 Cr 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

1 Cr 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

He tells us he could only speak to them as unto carnal, as unto babes in Christ, feeding them with milk, not meat and points out the attributes of  that which is yet carnal.

Peter also starts out this way with them saying

1 Peter 2:2 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,

1 Peter 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby

Hebrews telling us

Heb 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

Hebrews adds,

Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age,

The second part of that verse says,

"even those who by reason of use" have their senses "exercised"  "to discern both good and evil."

The same sort of thing is shown in a picture of the disciples in the presence of the Lord

Luke 22:24 And there was also "a strife" among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest.

As Paul shows

1 Cr 3:3 For ye are "yet" carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, "and strife"

Just children, no meat

John 21:5 Then Jesus saith unto them, Children, have ye any meat? 

They answered him, No.

And here also

1 Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

1 Cr 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

1 Cr 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Which deep things which are spiritually discerned come by the Spirit, which things he mentions four verses earlier from the start

1 Cr 2:10 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

What's also interesting here, is when it says, 

1 Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

And compare it to what is natural here, it says

Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

Or even with what Peter shows regarding what is natural here and what it speaks evil of

2 Peter 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not;  and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

 

 

Thank you for your thoughts, may you be blessed in your relationship with our Lord….

A fellow follower, Not me 

Edited November 21, 2023 by Not me

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

You be blessed as well Not me,

I had to mention that I think your screen name is very creative, I couldn't help recalling my own undiscerning days, when at one time I had joined what was called the internet infidels forums (It was an Atheist forum) it had to be a couple of decades ago. And your name I thought would have been great to use even there, and I would have probably chosen it, or a similar name had I actually come up with such a clever idea.

Just so I could sign off with something like,

A fellow follower with you all, 

and signed off with the name "Nah, just kidding"

Couldn't resist that one, because I think that every time I see you sign off and wished I would have thought that one up.

[Not me]

38 minutes ago, AFlameOfFire said:

You be blessed as well Not me,

I had to mention that I think your screen name is very creative, I couldn't help recalling my own undiscerning days, when at one time I had joined what was called the internet infidels forums (It was an Atheist forum) it had to be a couple of decades ago. And your name I thought would have been great to use even there, and I would have probably chosen it, or a similar name had I actually come up with such a clever idea.

Just so I could sign off with something like,

A fellow follower with you all, 

and signed off with the name "Nah, just kidding"

Couldn't resist that one, because I think that every time I see you sign off and wished I would have thought that one up.

Hi and thanks, I’ve had a lot of comments on my name, both good and bad… 

I choose it because once the Lord opened up the truth to me that ‘righteousness was right and not me’  I saw that I needed to be not me…. 
 

Blessings on being a not me, Not me 

Edited November 22, 2023 by Not me

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

4 minutes ago, Not me said:

Hi and thanks, I’ve had a lot of comments on my name, both good and bad… 

I choose it because once the Lord opened up the truth to me that ‘righteousness was right and not me’  I saw that I needed to be not me…. 
 

Blessings on being a not me, Not me 

Haha! I can see why in a way because if you'd sign off 

God bless you.

Not me

Rather than

Fellow follower, Not me

That might be better received since the latter sign off could be mis-understood as the "joke is on me" on the fellow follower thing

So that is  a little understandable on their part if you take these things on the internet either to heart, or personally. Shouldnt matter either way, I can find the humor in though.

Peace