"New Wine Must Be Put Into New Wine skins" meaning what?

[Mr. M]

Luke 5:

36 Then He spoke a parable to them: “No one puts a piece from a new garment on an old one; otherwise the new makes a tear, and also the piece that was taken out of the new does not match the old. 

37 And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; or else the new wine will burst the wineskins and be spilled, and the wineskins will be ruined. 

38 But new wine must be put into new wineskins, and both are preserved. 

39 And no one, having drunk old wine, immediately desires new; for he says, ‘The old is better.’ ”

Does a preference for "the old wine" represent a resistance to change and accepting the new?

[Know Jah]

Luke 5:36-39 - Jesus meant that Christians don't have to conform to Judaism.

[Mr. M]

10 minutes ago, Know Jah said:

Luke 5:36-39 - Jesus meant that Christians don't have to conform to Judaism.

A somewhat misleading understatement.

Matthew 5:20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

2 Corinthians 3:

7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 

8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 

9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. 

The focus of this thread, as well as "Nascent Spirit of Life" is all things new,

and the meaning of walking "in newness of life".

Galatians 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

Revelation 21:5 Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.”

And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.”

[Sower]

 

OT, NT, mix? Old ways, new ways. Outside, inside. Sight(works), faith, circumcision/heart. Doesn't fit,nor mix.
Old agreement/pact not working. New agreement (wine skins) cannot patch old. Replaces.
Grace through faith, (NOT of works)

[Mr. M]

6 minutes ago, Sower said:

 

OT, NT, mix? Old ways, new ways. Outside, inside. Sight(works), faith, etc. Doesn't fit,nor mix.
Old agreement/pact not working. New agreement (wine skins) cannot patch old. Replaces.
Grace through faith, (NOT of works)

"The New Man"...Conversion, or sanctification?

Ephesians 4:

 22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man,

which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

24 And that ye put on the new man,

which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Colossians 3:

8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice,

blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have

put off the old man with his deeds;

10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in

knowledge after the image of him that created him.

[AdHoc]

6 hours ago, Mr. M said:

Luke 5:

36 Then He spoke a parable to them: “No one puts a piece from a new garment on an old one; otherwise the new makes a tear, and also the piece that was taken out of the new does not match the old. 

37 And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; or else the new wine will burst the wineskins and be spilled, and the wineskins will be ruined. 

38 But new wine must be put into new wineskins, and both are preserved. 

39 And no one, having drunk old wine, immediately desires new; for he says, ‘The old is better.’ ”

Does a preference for "the old wine" represent a resistance to change and accepting the new?

I go with @Sower. The context is Christ, sinless, mixing with sinners. The supplemental context is the Sabbath and fasting. And a "garment" in parable is one's works (Rev.19:7-8). From Moses onward God had been working with men by Law. With John Baptist this changed (Lk.16:16). Law can only condemn the sinful man. God had restricted Himself to man in Genesis 1:26-28 and so Law, having proved its inability to reconcile men to God, is put aside to allow for "a ministry of reconciliation". But if God sets aside Law, how are men rewarded. The Law contained promises of health, wealth, long life, many children and safety from enemies. Belief in Jesus just bring persecution and loss of worldly goods.

So for men under Law, the "old way" was better. You could revenge yourself, claim restoration and be immediately rewarded by God. The New Way was self-denial, give your wealth away, danger, pain and the reward was so far away - even after death, that it became abstract. The most popular Churches to day are where the prosperity gospels is preached. But it doesn't work. The New Wine ferments and takes to much from the vessel. Only a few get rich, the bulk help the rich get rich and become poorer and they have no reward stored in heaven since God is not behind their "mixed religion".

[Mr. M]

4 hours ago, AdHoc said:

I go with @Sower. The context is Christ, sinless, mixing with sinners. The supplemental context is the Sabbath and fasting. And a "garment" in parable is one's works (Rev.19:7-8).

The context is the time of preparation before

the wedding of the Lamb, and is a prophetic word. 

Matthew 9:14-17 Then the disciples of John came to Him, saying, “Why do we and the Pharisees fast often, but Your disciples do not fast?” And Jesus said to them, “Can the friends of the bridegroom mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them? But the days will come when the bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast. No one puts a piece of un-shrunk cloth on an old garment; for the patch pulls away from the garment, and the tear is made worse. Nor do they put new wine into old wineskins, or else the wineskins break, the wine is spilled, and the wineskins are ruined. But they put new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”

Matthew 26:27-29 Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom.”

The wedding garment is given, and must be received, 

as a living member of the Body of Christ.

Matthew 22:8-10 Then he said to his servants, The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy. Therefore go into the highways, and as many as you find, invite to the wedding. So those servants went out into the highways and gathered together all whom they found, both bad and good. And the wedding hall was filled with guests.

11-13 But when the king came in to see the guests, he saw a man there who did not have on a wedding garment. So he said to him, Friend, how did you come in here without a wedding garment?’ And he was speechless. Then the king said to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

14 “For many are called, but few are chosen.”

The new wine is also spoken of prophetically in reference to the necessity

of maintaining "the Spirit of Unity, in the Bond of Peace".

Isaiah 65:8 Thus says the Lord:

“As the new wine is found in the cluster,
And one says, ‘Do not destroy it,
For a blessing is in it,’
So will I do for My servants’ sake,
That I may not destroy them all.
9 I will bring forth descendants from Jacob,
And from Judah an heir of My mountains;
My elect shall inherit it,
And My servants shall dwell there.
10 Sharon shall be a fold of flocks,
And the Valley of Achor a place for herds to lie down,
For My people who have sought Me.

Even as it is written by David:

Psalm 133:1 Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brethren to dwell together in unity!

For there the Lord commanded the blessing—
Life forevermore.

We seek and find Christ in the fellowship of the saints.

As it is sung, "O, Magnify the Lord with me,

and let us exalt His Name together".

Psalm 40:16 Let all those who seek You rejoice and be glad in You;
Let such as love Your salvation say continually,
“The Lord be magnified!”

Philippians 1:19-21 For I know that this will turn out for my deliverance through your prayer and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ, according to my earnest expectation and hope that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ will be magnified in my body, whether by life or by death. For to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain.

Ephesians 2:4-7 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

[Mr. M]

Just now, Mr. M said:

The wedding garment is given, and must be received, 

as a living member of the Body of Christ.

The testimony of John the Baptist.

John 3:27-30 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing unless it has been given to him from heaven. You yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but, I have been sent before Him. He who has the bride is the bridegroom; but the friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice. Therefore this joy of mine is fulfilled.  He must increase, but I must decrease.

[Michael37]

14 hours ago, Mr. M said:

Luke 5:

36 Then He spoke a parable to them: “No one puts a piece from a new garment on an old one; otherwise the new makes a tear, and also the piece that was taken out of the new does not match the old. 

37 And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; or else the new wine will burst the wineskins and be spilled, and the wineskins will be ruined. 

38 But new wine must be put into new wineskins, and both are preserved. 

39 And no one, having drunk old wine, immediately desires new; for he says, ‘The old is better.’ ”

Does a preference for "the old wine" represent a resistance to change and accepting the new?

A better word than resistance might be incompatibility.

[AdHoc]

9 hours ago, Mr. M said:

The context is the time of preparation before

the wedding of the Lamb, and is a prophetic word. 

Matthew 9:14-17 Then the disciples of John came to Him, saying, “Why do we and the Pharisees fast often, but Your disciples do not fast?” And Jesus said to them, “Can the friends of the bridegroom mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them? But the days will come when the bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast. No one puts a piece of un-shrunk cloth on an old garment; for the patch pulls away from the garment, and the tear is made worse. Nor do they put new wine into old wineskins, or else the wineskins break, the wine is spilled, and the wineskins are ruined. But they put new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”

Matthew 26:27-29 Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom.”

The wedding garment is given, and must be received, 

as a living member of the Body of Christ.

I cannot see that this is a time of preparation for the Wedding Feast. The Groom is about to LEAVE, and a FAST is proclaimed. Two things are contrasted. (i) An OLD garment that is torn, and (ii) a NEW vessel. If we go to Revelation 19:7-8 and allow scripture to interpret scripture, then the garment is works.

Also, the wedding garment is NOT given. It must be prepared by the Bride. Revelation 19 says;

7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints

She makes HERSELF ready and it is THE SAINT'S righteousness - not Christ's. So also Matthew 5; 

20 For I say unto you, That except YOUR righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

It is the Priest's garment that is given to him for audience with God. There, our righteous works are not enough. But to enter the Kingdom it is YOUR works that qualify you.