Horns On Heads Of Beasts

[Michael37]

54 minutes ago, BlindSeeker said:

 

True, there are similar characteristics, due to the similar agendas.

Bear's feet for military might and legal right, weaponised and sturdy.

Leopard's body for political agility and operational swiftness, camouflaged expansionism.

Lion's mouth for media mastery and ideological superiority, command and control.

Iron and clay don't mix, which is why the policy of assimilation the Roman Empire relied on to maintain its superiority failed.

[BlindSeeker]

On 12/31/2024 at 5:56 PM, Michael37 said:

Revelation resets the kingdom count.

Curious, how can you absolutely say it is "reset" and not just all inclusive of the most prominent nations correlated to Israel since its birth as a nation coming out of Egypt? For we all can see and know the prophecies that God would deliver the Jews 400 years later after Jacob/Israel moving there under Joseph with the rest of the family; as well as the prophecies by Isaiah forewarning the northern tribes.

Those, with four those mentioned in Daniel, both in Nebuchadnezzar's dream and Daniels vision, would bring the total to the time of the destruction Jerusalem by Rome to five fallen, and the sixth one still in existence at the time of Revelation.

It makes sense to me for Daniel's record of the things written therein to be pertinent to the king and kingdom under which he was taken captive, with prophecies to "the coming of Messiah the Prince.

Such is why I am curious how you defend your statement above? Do you have undeniable evidence to support it so as to be dismissive of my proposition? Or is it just what strong inclination you lean most towards.

[BlindSeeker]

On 1/1/2025 at 1:31 AM, Michael37 said:

Here's why I believe the metaphor that depicts a Seven-Headed, Ten-Horned Beast rising from the Sea ... unregenerate humanity which supports the Great Whore of Babylon

Rev 17:15  And the angel said to me, “The waters that you saw, where the prostitute is seated, are peoples and multitudes and nations and languages.

The scriptures also says -

Rev 17:9 v And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sits.

If, like I proposed in my last post, that these are nations in the history/timeline of Israel, would it not then mean then that the woman has been religious aspect or part of all these kingdoms that have past?

Edited February 10 by BlindSeeker

[Michael37]

5 minutes ago, BlindSeeker said:

Such is why I am curious how you defend your statement above? 

Daniel's vision of four beasts in Daniel is obsolete by the time the kingdoms they represent are counted among the seven heads of the sea beast in John's vision in the Book of Revelation.

For further discussion:

The Book of Daniel, found in the Old Testament, primarily focuses on the experiences and visions of the prophet Daniel during the Babylonian captivity. The book includes prophecies and apocalyptic visions about future kingdoms and the end times.

In the Book of Daniel:

• Egypt is indirectly mentioned in the context of the future conflicts involving the kings of the North and the South (Daniel 11). The "king of the South" is often interpreted to refer to the Ptolemaic Kingdom, which was centered in Egypt.

• Assyria is not explicitly mentioned. The book mainly focuses on the Babylonian Empire and the subsequent rise of the Medo-Persian, Greek, and Roman empires.

[BlindSeeker]

On 1/1/2025 at 3:11 PM, Triton57 said:

Additionally, these 4 beasts are diverse from each other, and also coexist with each other. This eliminates the possibility that these are successive kingdoms that consume each other in the historical sense.

I cannot agree with the term "coexist." Certainly, they were not a mingle society, but each has their historical place of dominance, and that is successive.

[BlindSeeker]

1 hour ago, Michael37 said:

God-breathed passages that disclose elements and events in God's economy that would otherwise be unknown, particularly the rise and fall of empires and emperors, and various descriptions of the spiritual realm.

And specifically, which in books do you feel these Apocalyptic Scriptures, the one pertinent to the aspects of things being touched upon in your comment where you presented the term. 

"Rome as a type or example replaces the actuality of Rome as a geopolitical force..."

I wasn't looking for a definition, but specific references.

[Michael37]

5 minutes ago, BlindSeeker said:

If, like I proposed in my last post, that these are nations in the history/timeline of Israel, would it not then mean then that the woman has been (a) religious aspect or part of all these kingdoms that have past?

Sure, unregenerate humanity, exemplified and symbolised in the seven mountains for the sake of indicating the completion and summation of compete corporate control in the endtimes, as intended in the vision given to John, has always borne the Great Whore, who is the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth, as below:

[Michael37]

6 minutes ago, BlindSeeker said:

And specifically, which in books do you feel these Apocalyptic Scriptures, the one pertinent to the aspects of things being touched upon in your comment where you presented the term. 

"Rome as a type or example replaces the actuality of Rome as a geopolitical force..."

I wasn't looking for a definition, but specific references.

The wounded head that gets revived.

[BlindSeeker]

1 hour ago, Michael37 said:

True, there are similar characteristics, due to the similar agendas.

Bear's feet for military might and legal right, weaponised and sturdy.

Leopard's body for political agility and operational swiftness, camouflaged expansionism.

Lion's mouth for media mastery and ideological superiority, command and control.

Iron and clay don't mix, which is why the policy of assimilation the Roman Empire relied on to maintain its superiority failed.

Ok, you opted to say "due to the similar agendas," but we're talking about Holy Spirit breathed prophecy. Can you not acknowledge the use by the Spirit of God of various parts Daniel's four beast, even when the angel tells John that imagery is multifaceted, representing more that one thing in one place, things that are literal facts within Israel's prophetic history? It's just a similarity?

Do you feel that is a persuasive answer?

[Michael37]

8 minutes ago, BlindSeeker said:

Ok, you opted to say "due to the similar agendas," but we're talking about Holy Spirit breathed prophecy. Can you not acknowledge the use by the Spirit of God of various parts Daniel's four beast, even when the angel tells John that imagery is multifaceted, representing more that one thing in one place, things that are literal facts within Israel's prophetic history? It's just a similarity?

Do you feel that is a persuasive answer?

From a literary perspective a metaphor stands alone in its context before any comparison with it is made. This is not just convention, it's common sense. I disengage from those who misappropriate "every mention" of a metaphor to prove some mangled interpretation of a passage.

Comparisons exist because the same or similar metaphor is used, but that doesn't mean the context is the same or even similar.

There are several examples in the Bible where similar imagery is used to convey different or even opposite meanings. Here are a couple of notable examples:

1. Lion:

   • Good: In Revelation 5:5, Jesus is referred to as the "Lion of the tribe of Judah," symbolizing His authority and power. > "Then one of the elders said to me, 'Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.'"

   • Evil: Conversely, in 1 Peter 5:8, the devil is compared to a roaring lion seeking to devour. > "Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour."

2. Serpent:

   • Good: In John 3:14-15, Jesus uses the imagery of Moses lifting up the serpent in the wilderness to describe His own crucifixion and the salvation it brings. > "Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him."

   • Evil: In Genesis 3:1-5, the serpent is a symbol of deceit and evil, as it tempts Eve to disobey God. > "Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, 'Did God really say, "You must not eat from any tree in the garden"?...When you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.'"

These examples highlight the importance of understanding the context in which metaphors are used to grasp their intended meanings.