IF I SAID THIS 50 YEARS AGO.

[Dennis1209]

Luke 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

I have addressed my thoughts on holy matrimony and the two marriage differences above, so I will not rehash it again. Other than to say the latter is the traditional, where the father gives away the bride and between a man and woman.

In the following breaking news, the world's largest denomination with 1.6 billion adherents is a Pope turning the Catholic church on its ear. I believe there is an association with the former type of marriage. What do you think?

 Pope Francis Allows Priests to Bless Same-Sex Couples - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

When you think the world cannot get any more depraved and evil, something else pops up. I predict coming next, it will be exclusive and discrimination not to be allowed to marry your beloved dog Fido (bestiality). Think not?

When you have an encyclical or not, a man that claims inerrancy and is called holy father, men that claim your sins are forgiven if you confess it to them, and play a bead game and do some jumping jacks, your sins are forgiven. Pope Francis's successful ecumenical movement united some of the world's religions and protester denominations back under the umbrella of the universal church (coming one world political-religious system, I suspect). The Vatican and the United Nations work together for socialism, climate change, and other objectives.

Not to mention paying big indulgences to pray a loved one out of purgatory, last rights, the Eucharist is not in memory of, but Christ's actual flesh and blood, praying to saints for mediation, to name a few.

Is this infallible leader, the vicar of Christ, a false prophet, as in thus sayeth the Lord? Everything is changing faster than anyone can keep up with.

[Marilyn C]

4 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

Luke 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

I have addressed my thoughts on holy matrimony and the two marriage differences above, so I will not rehash it again. Other than to say the latter is the traditional, where the father gives away the bride and between a man and woman.

In the following breaking news, the world's largest denomination with 1.6 billion adherents is a Pope turning the Catholic church on its ear. I believe there is an association with the former type of marriage. What do you think?

 Pope Francis Allows Priests to Bless Same-Sex Couples - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

When you think the world cannot get any more depraved and evil, something else pops up. I predict coming next, it will be exclusive and discrimination not to be allowed to marry your beloved dog Fido (bestiality). Think not?

When you have an encyclical or not, a man that claims inerrancy and is called holy father, men that claim your sins are forgiven if you confess it to them, and play a bead game and do some jumping jacks, your sins are forgiven. Pope Francis's successful ecumenical movement united some of the world's religions and protester denominations back under the umbrella of the universal church (coming one world political-religious system, I suspect). The Vatican and the United Nations work together for socialism, climate change, and other objectives.

Not to mention paying big indulgences to pray a loved one out of purgatory, last rights, the Eucharist is not in memory of, but Christ's actual flesh and blood, praying to saints for mediation, to name a few.

Is this infallible leader, the vicar of Christ, a false prophet, as in thus sayeth the Lord? Everything is changing faster than anyone can keep up with.

Yes Dennis, I agree he is a false prophet but I don`t believe he is THE false prophet of Rev. 13. (not that you said that) That one I believe is a (false) prophet to the world (re Climate change/mother earth etc) plus hold the office of economics, (probably related to the IMF, some call the International Mafia Fund). 

[Dennis1209]

1 hour ago, Marilyn C said:

Yes Dennis, I agree he is a false prophet but I don`t believe he is THE false prophet of Rev. 13. (not that you said that) That one I believe is a (false) prophet to the world (re Climate change/mother earth etc) plus hold the office of economics, (probably related to the IMF, some call the International Mafia Fund). 

No, I would not say he is the False Prophet. But what would we expect the coming leader of a one-world religion to say and do in preparation for the office? I could discuss this until the cows come home, but I do not have any cows so that it would be a lengthy discussion, LOL. 

One thing many agree on in the Vatican is their own St. Malachy prophecy of the Popes. Studying this is highly accurate, too accurate to be a mere coincidence. The numerical lists of Popes through the centuries list Pope Francis as the False Prophet. I refrain from pinning the tail on the donkey, but if it looks like a lamb and speaks like a dragon, I have spiney senses.

I cannot say with certainty a Pope will be the F.P., but I lean heavily toward it for several reasons. My thoughts are speculative and based on what we are told about the mystery religion, mainly in the book of Revelation. 

I do not think we have long for the world to find out. I also suspect the F.P. will arrive on the scene before the Antichrist, as he rides (or directs) the Beast for a short period. Again, this is all speculation on my part; I am just watching.

[Marilyn C]

10 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

No, I would not say he is the False Prophet. But what would we expect the coming leader of a one-world religion to say and do in preparation for the office? I could discuss this until the cows come home, but I do not have any cows so that it would be a lengthy discussion, LOL. 

One thing many agree on in the Vatican is their own St. Malachy prophecy of the Popes. Studying this is highly accurate, too accurate to be a mere coincidence. The numerical lists of Popes through the centuries list Pope Francis as the False Prophet. I refrain from pinning the tail on the donkey, but if it looks like a lamb and speaks like a dragon, I have spiney senses.

I cannot say with certainty a Pope will be the F.P., but I lean heavily toward it for several reasons. My thoughts are speculative and based on what we are told about the mystery religion, mainly in the book of Revelation. 

I do not think we have long for the world to find out. I also suspect the F.P. will arrive on the scene before the Antichrist, as he rides (or directs) the Beast for a short period. Again, this is all speculation on my part; I am just watching.

I agree the FP will come before the A/C and I believe they are already in the world. As to the Pope he does NOT rule over ALL religions and atheists etc. Also, he does not control the economy which the FP will do, -

`And he causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except the one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. ` (Rev. 13: 16)

[Michael37]

2 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

Luke 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

I have addressed my thoughts on holy matrimony and the two marriage differences above, so I will not rehash it again. Other than to say the latter is the traditional, where the father gives away the bride and between a man and woman.

In the following breaking news, the world's largest denomination with 1.6 billion adherents is a Pope turning the Catholic church on its ear. I believe there is an association with the former type of marriage. What do you think?

 Pope Francis Allows Priests to Bless Same-Sex Couples - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

When you think the world cannot get any more depraved and evil, something else pops up. I predict coming next, it will be exclusive and discrimination not to be allowed to marry your beloved dog Fido (bestiality). Think not?

When you have an encyclical or not, a man that claims inerrancy and is called holy father, men that claim your sins are forgiven if you confess it to them, and play a bead game and do some jumping jacks, your sins are forgiven. Pope Francis's successful ecumenical movement united some of the world's religions and protester denominations back under the umbrella of the universal church (coming one world political-religious system, I suspect). The Vatican and the United Nations work together for socialism, climate change, and other objectives.

Not to mention paying big indulgences to pray a loved one out of purgatory, last rights, the Eucharist is not in memory of, but Christ's actual flesh and blood, praying to saints for mediation, to name a few.

Is this infallible leader, the vicar of Christ, a false prophet, as in thus sayeth the Lord? Everything is changing faster than anyone can keep up with.

Possibly 30 years ago, a preacher went through a list of pervading ills and evils and then said whoever the restrainer of 2 Thessalonians 2:6 -7 is, he isn't doing a very good job.

But looking closely at those verses I think it is apparent it is the revealing of the aforementioned man of sin, the son of perdition (who corresponds to the false prophet of Revelation 16:13), that is being restrained by the restrainer, rather than the ills and evils of wicked humanity.

In my study of authority I came across the work of Max Weber who identified three types, namely Traditional Authority, Legal Authority, and Charismatic Authority,* all of which are met with resistance and conflict when they become burdensome to those able to unite in opposition to them. 

Opposition to the evils and ills of wicked humanity is replaced by strong delusion sent from God according to 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12, which I think includes acceptance of a charismatic world leader who manifests Satanic Authority with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and unrighteous deception.

*Charismatic authority is a concept of leadership developed by the German sociologist Max Weber. It involves a type of organization or a type of leadership in which authority derives from the charisma of the leader ¹. Charismatic authority is one of the three types of authority that Weber identified, the other two being legal authority and traditional authority ¹.

Charisma is a certain quality of an individual personality, by virtue of which he is set apart from ordinary men and treated as endowed with supernatural, superhuman, or at least specifically exceptional powers or qualities ¹. Charismatic leaders are those who possess this quality and are able to inspire loyalty and obedience from followers ¹.

Charismatic authority is different from legal authority, which is based on the belief in the legality of enacted rules and the right of those elevated to authority under such rules to issue commands ¹. It is also different from traditional authority, which is based on the belief in the sanctity of traditions and the legitimacy of those exercising authority under them ¹. [Collated by BingChat]

[Neighbor]

Hi, The Popedom is not the only  and certainly not the first sect of a religious order to bless same sex unions. The United Methodist ,the English Anglican, even a large segment of American Baptist religous orders have been doing so.

Why? Well crassly put, it is certainly about the money! Money is a huge factor as the deviant community tends to also have higher incomes with greater discretionary funds to spend or give away; and so they are a great prospect for those struggling entities to target.

Some or even many religious orders have given  heed to the call of the money as they in general have not met their own internal need of it. Those orders long ago left their first love, and so  they can freely justify a blessing to the very individuals Yeshua is recorded as saying will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Those orders are often trying to straddle that which blesses God and that which defies Him  using blessing instead of marriage; blessing same sex union while keeping the word marriage  for union of man and woman.

[Dennis1209]

13 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Possibly 30 years ago, a preacher went through a list of pervading ills and evils and then said whoever the restrainer of 2 Thessalonians 2:6 -7 is, he isn't doing a very good job.

But looking closely at those verses I think it is apparent it is the revealing of the aforementioned man of sin, the son of perdition (who corresponds to the false prophet of Revelation 16:13), that is being restrained by the restrainer, rather than the ills and evils of wicked humanity.

In my study of authority I came across the work of Max Weber who identified three types, namely Traditional Authority, Legal Authority, and Charismatic Authority,* all of which are met with resistance and conflict when they become burdensome to those able to unite in opposition to them. 

Opposition to the evils and ills of wicked humanity is replaced by strong delusion sent from God according to 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12, which I think includes acceptance of a charismatic world leader who manifests Satanic Authority with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and unrighteous deception.

*Charismatic authority is a concept of leadership developed by the German sociologist Max Weber. It involves a type of organization or a type of leadership in which authority derives from the charisma of the leader ¹. Charismatic authority is one of the three types of authority that Weber identified, the other two being legal authority and traditional authority ¹.

Charisma is a certain quality of an individual personality, by virtue of which he is set apart from ordinary men and treated as endowed with supernatural, superhuman, or at least specifically exceptional powers or qualities ¹. Charismatic leaders are those who possess this quality and are able to inspire loyalty and obedience from followers ¹.

Charismatic authority is different from legal authority, which is based on the belief in the legality of enacted rules and the right of those elevated to authority under such rules to issue commands ¹. It is also different from traditional authority, which is based on the belief in the sanctity of traditions and the legitimacy of those exercising authority under them ¹. [Collated by BingChat]

Reading your post, one thing immediately came to mind: Hitler and his charismatic, mesmerizing, persuasive skills to believe the lie. In light of this subject, I think 1 Kings 22:22 is fascinating. Throughout the Bible, I see types and foreshadows of things to come. I suspect Hitler was one of them and demonically possessed. With his flatteries and skill, the Beast will make Hitler look like a choir boy.

Sociologist, jurist, and historian Max Weber hit the nail on the head, describing (maybe predicting) the coming of Hitler when he was a soldier in WWI. We now also observe the spirit of antisemitism is still alive and well in Germany and the rest of the world.

It also reminds me of another sociologist, jurist, and historian below, repeated repeatedly.

The Cycle of Nations:

(1) From bondage to spiritual faith.

(2) From spiritual faith to great courage.

(3) From courage to liberty.

(4) From liberty to abundance.

(5) From abundance to selfishness.

(6) From selfishness to complacency.

(7) From complacency to apathy.

(8) From apathy to dependency.

(9) From dependency back again into bondage.

--Sir Alex Fraser Tyler, A Scottish jurist and historian

As far as America and the world, I’d say we have entered number nine.

We have the Holy Spirit inside us, and collectively, we are the church of Christ that restrains (slows down) the progression of evil. When the restrainer is removed (the church at the harpazo), evil will run rampant and unrestrained. My hermeneutics, anyway.

[Dennis1209]

1 hour ago, Neighbor said:

Hi, The Popedom is not the only  and certainly not the first sect of a religious order to bless same sex unions. The United Methodist ,the English Anglican, even a large segment of American Baptist religous orders have been doing so.

Why? Well crassly put, it is certainly about the money! Money is a huge factor as the deviant community tends to also have higher incomes with greater discretionary funds to spend or give away; and so they are a great prospect for those struggling entities to target.

Some or even many religious orders have given  heed to the call of the money as they in general have not met their own internal need of it. Those orders long ago left their first love, and so  they can freely justify a blessing to the very individuals Yeshua is recorded as saying will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Those orders are often trying to straddle that which blesses God and that which defies Him  using blessing instead of marriage; blessing same sex union while keeping the word marriage  for union of man and woman.

Good morning,

Thus, my interpretation of Luke 17:27, two different types of marriage, one sanctioned and blessed by God (one man and one woman), the other abomination blessed by immorality and political correctness.

You are correct about other denominations that preceded this official Catholic decree. If you notice, these same denominations are part of the former protestors of the Reformation that went back under the umbrella of the universal church (ecumenicism).  

Catholicism is the largest global denomination, sitting on many waters, richer than many countries, with about 1.4 billion Catholics at last estimate. It is growing exponentially with the addition of former reformers. It is apostasy in the latter days as foretold.

APOS´TASY, n. [Gr. αποσασις, a defection, of αφισημι, to depart, απο, and ισημι.]

1. An abandonment of what one has professed; a total desertion, or departure from one’s faith or religion.

2. The desertion from a party to which one has adhered.^[1]

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

apostasia  ~ defiance of established system or authority, rebellion, abandonment, breach of faith (Josh 22:22; 2 Ch 29:19; 1 Macc 2:15; Just., D. 110, 2; Tat. 8:1) ἀπό τινος (Plu., Galb. 1053 [1, 9] Z. v.l. ἀπὸ Νέρωνος ἀ.; Jos., Vi. 43) ἀποστασίαν διδάσκεις ἀπὸ Μωϋσέως you teach (Judeans) to abandon Moses Ac 21:21.

            •          Of the rebellion caused by the Lawless One in the last days 2 Th 2:3 (cp. Just., D. 110, 2).^[2]

Again, you are correct. Money, not religion is the Vatican’s business, nor saving souls: Not to mention prosperity gospels.

Roman Catholic Church's wealth impossible to calculate | National Post

 

 

 

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^[1] Webster, N. (2006). In Noah Webster’s first edition of An American dictionary of the English language. Foundation for American Christian Education.

^[2] Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., Bauer, W., & Gingrich, F. W. (2000). In A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature (3rd ed., p. 120). University of Chicago Press.

[Ray12614]

Years ago when I was first saved, I had a dream and saw a man on a throne who sat on it side-ways with his feet over the arm of the throne/chair he was sitting on, and had an 'beanie hat' on which was sliding down one side of his head, and he had a sneering smile on his face, and a robe of red and purple with some white parts.

My point is that I knew nothing of the Catholic church, what the priests wear, had not studied 'end times', or read popular authors about end times, and knew nothing about much of anything and was just beginning to read the Bible, and had not read Revelations . . .  I was very puzzled about who this man could have been, and many years later now . . . . I still don't know.  I only know that IF I see him, I will know him and avoid him if at all possible. It made that much of an impression on me, I will never forget that face . . . .  I believe God showed me a 'glimpse' of what would happen in the future, and it has been 30+ years since I have shared it BUT this OP reminded me of my dream . . . 

I do now lean towards it being a futuristic picture the Catholic pope, but, the pictures I have seen of him in news articles is not the man I saw in my dream.

[Vine Abider]

1 hour ago, Neighbor said:

Hi, The Popedom is not the only  and certainly not the first sect of a religious order to bless same sex unions. The United Methodist ,the English Anglican, even a large segment of American Baptist religous orders have been doing so.

Why? Well crassly put, it is certainly about the money! Money is a huge factor as the deviant community tends to also have higher incomes with greater discretionary funds to spend or give away; and so they are a great prospect for those struggling entities to target.

Some or even many religious orders have given  heed to the call of the money as they in general have not met their own internal need of it. Those orders long ago left their first love, and so  they can freely justify a blessing to the very individuals Yeshua is recorded as saying will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Those orders are often trying to straddle that which blesses God and that which defies Him  using blessing instead of marriage; blessing same sex union while keeping the word marriage  for union of man and woman.

That's an interesting take - that it's about the money!  We humans (1st Adam) do like to build our empires, don't we!? I don't know that I had thought about it in terms like that, but dwindling membership does equate to less money.  Therefore there needs to be a comprehensive marking strategy to bring people in and keep them on the roles!  And offending a certain segment regarding same-sex marriage does tend to alienate some.  However, as it says, "Friendship with the world is enmity with God." (James 4:4)

I remember a really good (true story) Christian film "All Saints" from a few years ago.  The Episcopalians had run out of money in a certain location, and were having to close a church because of it (all their schemes of making money fell short).  But the Lord responded in an inexplicable way and brought in many Burmese refugee believers and now it thrives.