Born Again And Born Again Scripture.

[LisaLola]

2 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Because of your own unfamiliarity with Scripture, even AFTER I shared Acts 10 and 11 which PROVES that one is baptized with the Spirit WHEN they believe.  Why haven't you addressed those passages?

No, He explained HOW to enter the kingdom, which is by being born again. iow, the criteria for entering the kingdom is to be born again.

Look in mirror.

This is a direct LIE.  Stop it.

No one needs your opinion.

You just don't know what you are talking about.

Yet, you have over and over demonstrated that you can't even understand it.

Well, there you go again; using "born again" as a noun.  There is NO SUCH THING as "a born again".  The adjective NEEDS a noun, which you  don't understand.

I proved you wrong from the account of Cornelius.  All believers ARE born again, and those who are born again are believers.  That is very clear from the NT, which you have demonstrated a stark unfamiliarity wth.

No, the arguer here is you.  Even after careful and clear explanations of Scripture, you remain STUCK to your opinions, or the false teachings that you have received.

In fact, your reactions and responses remind me of what the churches in Revelation were warned about.

Rev 2:7 - He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.’

Rev 2:11 - He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one who conquers will not be hurt by the second death.’

Rev 2:17 - He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will give some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, with a new name written on the stone that no one knows except the one who receives it.’

Rev 2:29 - He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’

Rev 3:6 - He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’

Rev 3:13 - He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’

Rev 3:22 - He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’”

But you aren't hearing because you don't have ears that hear.  That's why you haven't been able to understand what I have posted, or what the Bible itself says.

You are only fooling (deceiving) yourself.

You have once again posted no Born Again scripture, just your spin on what you believe that scripture to be saying.

Jesus is the one who has proved you wrong on how we become Born Again..

hearing im afraid has nothing to do with becoming Born Again of imperishable seed..which you still haven’t explained.

Sorry, it looks like you lead yourself through scripture ....

 

What also is  a  carnal mind?

please explain what it is?

and try not to google the answer.as I will be questioning you on what it means.

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, LisaLola said:

How can you believe in God without God given Faith, which is a manifestation of the Spirit?

It would be impossible....

Faith is NOT a gift.  Salvation and eternal life are the gifts.  Faith comes from man's heart, or consciousness, where he determines right from wrong.  Rom 2:14,15

Eph 2:8 teaches that salvation is the gift, not faith.  Match the genders.  Faith is feminine, while "saved" and "it is a gift" are masculine.  So the gift is NOT faith.

[LisaLola]

45 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Because of your own unfamiliarity with Scripture, even AFTER I shared Acts 10 and 11 which PROVES that one is baptized with the Spirit WHEN they believe.  Why haven't you addressed those passages?

No, He explained HOW to enter the kingdom, which is by being born again. iow, the criteria for entering the kingdom is to be born again.

Look in mirror.

This is a direct LIE.  Stop it.

No one needs your opinion.

You just don't know what you are talking about.

Yet, you have over and over demonstrated that you can't even understand it.

Well, there you go again; using "born again" as a noun.  There is NO SUCH THING as "a born again".  The adjective NEEDS a noun, which you  don't understand.

I proved you wrong from the account of Cornelius.  All believers ARE born again, and those who are born again are believers.  That is very clear from the NT, which you have demonstrated a stark unfamiliarity wth.

No, the arguer here is you.  Even after careful and clear explanations of Scripture, you remain STUCK to your opinions, or the false teachings that you have received.

In fact, your reactions and responses remind me of what the churches in Revelation were warned about.

Rev 2:7 - He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.’

Rev 2:11 - He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one who conquers will not be hurt by the second death.’

Rev 2:17 - He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will give some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, with a new name written on the stone that no one knows except the one who receives it.’

Rev 2:29 - He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’

Rev 3:6 - He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’

Rev 3:13 - He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’

Rev 3:22 - He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’”

But you aren't hearing because you don't have ears that hear.  That's why you haven't been able to understand what I have posted, or what the Bible itself says.

You are only fooling (deceiving) yourself.

You have once again posted no scripture of what Born Again means...that scripture you post is your own spin on it.

Jesus has proved you wrong, because he told Nicodemus how we become Born Again.

you post Gods word out of context..it’s Born Again and saved from eternal damnation....you are way out of context..you just post random quotes of scripture.and then put your own spin on it.

Edited January 11, 2024 by LisaLola

[LisaLola]

1 minute ago, FreeGrace said:

Faith is NOT a gift.  Salvation and eternal life are the gifts.  Faith comes from man's heart, or consciousness, where he determines right from wrong.  Rom 2:14,15

Eph 2:8 teaches that salvation is the gift, not faith.  Match the genders.  Faith is feminine, while "saved" and "it is a gift" are masculine.  So the gift is NOT faith.

Faith is a gift of the Spirit.. manifestation of the Spirit, check it out...Gods word proves you wrong.

Without God given Faith, you wouldn’t know who God was.

[Starise]

Lisa, even that last post is personal " proves you wrong". I approved it. Just sayin'

You could say, " This is why I think it's wrong" instead. 

The way I look at it, we aren't out to prove who is or isn't wrong or right. We want the truth. Don't hit me ok

[Starise]

@FreeGrace I love you brother, but I have to say something here. Responding kind for kind is easy to do but not the best way. Remember if we don't have LOVE we have nothing.

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, LisaLola said:

Faith is a gift of the Spirit.. manifestation of the Spirit, check it out...Gods word proves you wrong.

I already refuted your opinion, from Eph 2:8.  In the Greek, genders that match go together.  The words "saved" and "It is from God" are masculine gender, while "faith" is feminine gender.  So faith isn't the gift.  Salvation is the gift.

But you don't have to believe it.  Many don't believe what God's word says.  And I'm not one of them.

1 hour ago, LisaLola said:

Without God given Faith, you wouldn’t know who God was.

So show me any verse that speaks of this "God given faith" that you speak of.

But I'll save you some time.  There aren't any verses.  

And I'll share some verses that prove that man IS able to seek God.  First, I shared Acts 10 and 11 where Cornelius and family/friends were seeking God, so God sent Peter  to "tell them how to be saved" (11:17).  

Heb 11:6 - And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.

It is clear from this verse that faith pleases God AND that people DO believe that He exists and rewards those who seek Him.

I'm trying to help you become more familiar with Scripture.

[FreeGrace]

29 minutes ago, Starise said:

@FreeGrace I love you brother, but I have to say something here. Responding kind for kind is easy to do but not the best way. Remember if we don't have LOVE we have nothing.

Right.  Thanks.  Just trying to share the truth.  

[FreeGrace]

31 minutes ago, Starise said:

@FreeGrace I love you brother, but I have to say something here. Responding kind for kind is easy to do but not the best way. Remember if we don't have LOVE we have nothing.

I have a question.  When sharing a verse that clearly states the opposite of what the other poster has posted, and they just ignore it and continue in their thinking and make false statements, personal and not, it seems like just putting them on 'ignore' is like giving up and allowing false teaching to continue.

Thanks.

[Starise]

The whole I'm right, you're wrong thing never works unless the delivery is different IMO.

What I find to be true many times is there is a different understanding of terms which leads others to come to different conclusions.Not necessarily a misunderstanding of the concepts behind it.

 Which is easier pushing or leading?