Born Again And Born Again Scripture.

[Your closest friendnt]

4 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

If you are implying that what I quoted is not the Word of God ... then you joined a fellowship's statement of faith you disagree with... may I ask why?

 

You are not correctly reading the statement of faith. You are reading it in away that is not reflecting what Paul said: I Paul right this letter to Timothy. And the context is that Paul as a man established in the truth (not in all truth like Jesus, but in what has been given to him as he continued to grow and he said that he will continue to grow till that last day when it comes and he will continue to grow in Heaven.

Paul what he wrote it was inspired from his understanding which was inspired but the Holy Spirit and the statement Paul gave to Timothy about the usefulness of scriptures is not something new. Paul believed that before he believed in Jesus Christ only he could not correctly understand the scriptures he was reading at that time but the scriptures about the righteousness of the Law he understood that's why he was a Pharisee, the scriptures of moral living he understood them from his childhood the same as Timothy who grew up as a Jewish believer and Paul reminded him they are good also for the believers in Jesus Christ  do not steal and do injustice to others..those principles today are taught by all religions of the world as it was also at that time in general. Paul is telling Timothy because we live in Grace that does not mean that Jesus Christ will ever say to someone to do injustice and if he does he must a a good reason as to teach someone perhaps a lesson, as an exception or to help someone to escape torture because of his faith in him by stealing a boat to his liberty. 

[enoob57]

1 minute ago, Your closest friendnt said:

You are not correctly reading the statement of faith.

no I just quoted it...

[Your closest friendnt]

14 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Absolutely!  And when a verse does need context for better understanding, the other poster should scan the context to see if there's more than just that 1 verse.

Great point!

You are attempting to transfer the onus to the readership when was the duty of the poster to post the verse and the version of the Bible at the beginning and not at the end of a statement that includes his understanding. Posting the reference but not the verse. People are not sitting infront of computers and have the time, they also use IPhone. 

[enoob57]

2 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

and not all that is written in the Bible is scripture

again, in disagreement with the statement of faith of this site...
We believe that the 66 books of the Canon, from Genesis to Revelation are the exhaustive, inerrant and inspired word of God.
 

[LisaLola]

 

 

7Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good.8To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by the same Spirit, 9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in various tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues. 11All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, who apportions them to each one as He determines

Edited January 11, 2024 by LisaLola

[LisaLola]

Does anyone understand this scripture, I love this scripture, this is God’s word to his children.

Romans 8

King James Version

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

[FreeGrace]

2 hours ago, LisaLola said:

FreeGrace said: 

I just wanted to acknowledge and congratulate you on the proper usage of the adjective "born again"!  

The correct useage is Born Again..just as Jesus explains to Nicodemus...we must be Born Again...to see the Kingdom of God.

The words "born again" is a verb.  I saw your post earlier where you said you were from the UK, so that may explain some of our cognitive differences.  Not meaning IQ, but rather, word usage.  You were using "born again" as a noun, which was my point.  So, since you are a Brit, I'll just let it go.  Maybe there are different rules about verbs and nouns "across the pond".  I don't know, and don't care.

2 hours ago, LisaLola said:

Born Again of imperishable seed means...Gods word can never die or perish in our heart/ spirit it liveth and abideth there forever..that’s what Born Again of imperishable seed means.

Yes, on "this side of the pond" we call it OSAS, or eternal security.   

[FreeGrace]

2 hours ago, LisaLola said:

I was Born Again exactly as Jesus explains here to Nicodemus. @Starise I’m looking to you as my mentor...has my posting behaviour improved?

John 3:8 Context

 

⁵Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. ⁶That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. ⁷Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. ⁸The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit

 

I'm not going "there" again.  My point stands;  Jesus explained to Nic HOW to enter the kingdom by saying to Him:  YOU MUST BE born again.  I raised my "voice" so you'd not miss it.  Hopefully, you did not miss it.

I'm wondering if Brits have a whole different meaning for what "how to" means.

[FreeGrace]

2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

You are attempting to transfer the onus to the readership when was the duty of the poster to post the verse and the version of the Bible at the beginning and not at the end of a statement that includes his understanding. Posting the reference but not the verse. People are not sitting infront of computers and have the time, they also use IPhone. 

Sadly, those who try to do all that typing and such on a phone are to be pitied.  I can't even imagine using my phone for that.  

I love my laptop!

[Your closest friendnt]

5 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Sadly, those who try to do all that typing and such on a phone are to be pitied.  I can't even imagine using my phone for that.  

I love my laptop!

I would rather encourage people to use their phones as it shows diligence for the things pertaining to our faith. And the ministry of Jesus Christ.