My Lord, and My God

July 22, 2003

But, isn't that "Us" and "Our" mentioned in that verse referring to the Godhead, which is the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit?
It is interesting the question you posed.

You connected the word "Godhead," to the Gen 1:26. It is and English word which was used to translate three Greek words in the following verses.

Can you tell me which of those Greek words means "a Trinity" or conveys the concept of a plurality of identities, deity, and/or deities?

Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

Ro 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Ge 1:26 And God <'elohiym> said <'amar>, Let us make <`asah> man <'adam> in our image <tselem>, after our likeness <damuwth>: and let them have dominion <radah> over the fish <dagah> of the sea <yam>, and over the fowl <`owph> of the air <shamayim>, and over the cattle <bahemah>, and over all the earth <'erets>, and over every creeping thing <remes> that creepeth <ramas> upon the earth <'erets>.

BlindSeeker Posted on Jul 20 2003, 09:35 PM
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Interesting.

Nobody has a comment for my last post?

Why?

WeLL my Brother--William-- perhaps it's because WE doNOT want to enter into a "dispute,conflict,
"debate" with YOU-cuzzz you always have A whole-lotta scriptures to support your statements & it takes {FOREVER} to FIND? scriptures to possibly explain any other point of view????? :LOL: :il: ---
BUT I will humbly TRY to possibly explain the "trinity" to your satisfaction???? BUT, probably NOT??-- :LOL: --------Have you ever observed a set of twins or triplets even????They LOOK SO much alike
no-one can tell them apart---usually after awhile when you have been around them LONG enough you can tell that they have very slight differences that you notice that sets them apart from one another....After you point out the SLIGHT difference to someone else they will say"oh yeah,i see that NOW,how did YOU discover that"??I never would have "seen" that IF you hadNOT pointed that out to me..------JESUS said {IF YOU HAVE SEEN ME---YOU HAVE SEEN THE FATHER} IN other WORDS --JESUS & THE FATHER are EXACTLY alike, BUT??????---------GOD-BLESS-YOU-MY-BROTHER------{Gary}-- :il:

July 22, 2003

...Then I read James 2:19 where believing in one God is not enough. Does that satisfy the prerequisite of loving Him? I was asking myself. Even the NAME of God varies among different people. In my case, I was taught that God has three divine persons, each person is God, but one person is not the other two persons. I was contented with this identification of God. More so, I had the comfort of being in the majority on this belief...

...I read there is only ONE name of God (Zecharia 14:9)...

... I also read that the One making the covenant or "the TESTATOR had to die to fulfill His TESTAMENT" (Hebrew 9:16). I did not ask my religious leaders anymore how the God of the Old Testament, Who is a Spirit, could possibly fulfill His Testament....

...It was the FATHER, the one and only God, Who manifested Himself in the flesh! God fulfilling His Testament by death was getting clearer. That is that simple by divine revelation!!...

Anonymous Pam,

How so? Perhaps I was reading too much into cristine's post, or maybe didn't read enough into Shadow's...but these two seem conflicting to me. The yoke became the white of the egg?

E.T.H.------- I DID-NOT-SAY -the-WHITE {BECAME} the YOKE---Where did YOU get that idea????

NOT FROM MY POST!!!!!!---------PLEASE don't say I stated something When I didNOT---PLEASE go back & re-read my post------------ :il: ----{Gary}--

Shadow,

I didn't imply that you did. I merely asked that question to show that I had difficulty reconciling your analogy with what cristine had stated about the relationship between the Father and the Son. Please forgive but really misquoting you wasn't my intent. Perhaps you can re-read my posts?

BlindSeeker · July 22, 2003

. . . WeLL my Brother--William-- perhaps it's because WE doNOT want to enter into a "dispute,conflict,
"debate" with YOU-cuzzz you always have A whole-lotta scriptures to support your statements & it takes {FOREVER} to FIND? scriptures to possibly explain any other point of view????? . . . .

Brother Gary,

I appreciate your response. I must comment however on your perception that I wish to "debate" this or any other issue with others. I do not. Still, I am always interested in seriously reasoning scriptures and doctrine with others, as I have learned very much from others who have presented their convictions pertaining to things of God by their expounding on related scriptures and presenting them as progressive line of reasoning so as to convey a deeper understanding .

All to often believers are too content to just accept what someone else has told them, another believer, their pastor, or a professing prophet . . . This is a very dangerous thing for believers to do, as all the armor of the believer is directly connected to the Word of God, by the which we are born again through its quickening by the Holy Spirit.

People who lazily accept this reduction of Christian responsibility allow themselves to fall into a

July 22, 2003

...Then I read James 2:19 where believing in one God is not enough. Does that satisfy the prerequisite of loving Him? I was asking myself. Even the NAME of God varies among different people. In my case, I was taught that God has three divine persons, each person is God, but one person is not the other two persons. I was contented with this identification of God. More so, I had the comfort of being in the majority on this belief...

...I read there is only ONE name of God (Zecharia 14:9)...

... I also read that the One making the covenant or "the TESTATOR had to die to fulfill His TESTAMENT" (Hebrew 9:16). I did not ask my religious leaders anymore how the God of the Old Testament, Who is a Spirit, could possibly fulfill His Testament....

...It was the FATHER, the one and only God, Who manifested Himself in the flesh! God fulfilling His Testament by death was getting clearer. That is that simple by divine revelation!!...

Anonymous Pam,

How so? Perhaps I was reading too much into cristine's post, or maybe didn't read enough into Shadow's...but these two seem conflicting to me. The yoke became the white of the egg?

E.T.H.------- I DID-NOT-SAY -the-WHITE {BECAME} the YOKE---Where did YOU get that idea????

NOT FROM MY POST!!!!!!---------PLEASE don't say I stated something When I didNOT---PLEASE go back & re-read my post------------ :il: ----{Gary}--

Shadow,

I didn't imply that you did. I merely asked that question to show that I had difficulty reconciling your analogy with what cristine had stated about the relationship between the Father and the Son. Please forgive but really misquoting you wasn't my intent. Perhaps you can re-read my posts?

OOOOoooPppppppppppSSSSSsssssssss-----SORRY bro. :il: NO offense intended--

WeLLL, i'm not real good on analogies as you can see---haaaaaa-hA---maybe i'll just shutUP & read a while, then {hopefully??} i won't get into trouble HUhhh????-----Gary----

BUT "IF" WE have anymore conflicts{of interest maybe??} I'M gonna call out them thaR BIGG-baaaaDD

karate expert dudes--- ---THEN you will be in a LOTTA trouble--dude

July 22, 2003

. . . WeLL my Brother--William-- perhaps it's because WE doNOT want to enter into a "dispute,conflict,
"debate" with YOU-cuzzz you always have A whole-lotta scriptures to support your statements & it takes {FOREVER} to FIND? scriptures to possibly explain any other point of view?????

BlindSeeker · July 24, 2003

NO--NO-NO-NO- bro. I know you DON'T "debate" ANY topics or subjects wrong word~~that post was kind-a-meant to be funn--eee--i used ,conflicts,dispute,debate for my lack of knowledge for other more appropriate terms---SEE thar you used the word {reasoning} that should have been the one I used...
sorry,didNOT mean to state or imply YOU like to DEBATE---MAN, BRO those were some very INTENSE &
electrifying words----IT'S quite apparant that WE {I} need some instruction in GOD'S WORD, would you care to just start a new thread ON some scripture or principle that is on your heart to instruct,
teach me????? thank you bro----------Gary---- :il:

Gary my friend,

I did not take any offense by your post mentioning debating.

Concerning starting a new thread . . . why don't we just stay here and consider the points already made and address them . . . . ?

William

July 25, 2003

Alright, Blind, please continue with your points concerning those verses in Genesis.

July 25, 2003

NO--NO-NO-NO- bro. I know you DON'T "debate" ANY topics or subjects wrong word~~that post was kind-a-meant to be funn--eee--i used ,conflicts,dispute,debate for my lack of knowledge for other more appropriate terms---SEE thar you used the word {reasoning} that should have been the one I used...
sorry,didNOT mean to state or imply YOU like to DEBATE---MAN, BRO those were some very INTENSE &

electrifying words----IT'S quite apparant that WE {I} need some instruction in GOD'S WORD, would you care to just start a new thread ON some scripture or principle that is on your heart to instruct,

teach me????? thank you bro----------Gary---- :il:

Gary my friend,

I did not take any offense by your post mentioning debating.

Concerning starting a new thread . . . why don't we just stay here and consider the points already made and address them . . . . ?

William

WeLLLLLLL,William my beloved Brother----as YOU are my resident theologian, if you want to stay &

discuss this thread, by little doggies, that's exactly what we err a gonna do----me thinketh tho that YOU am gonna have to do most of the teachin today cuzzzzz my stupid cat dug his claws into the fingers on my right hand & they erre so swelled up i cant type .....So i'm having to try to type with my left index finger.. have you ever tried to one-finger type with that finger being on the WRONG hand????????--- :x: man-o-man everything is backwards & upside down-- :upsided: --------

----no more smilies now--it takes too long----lead on mcduff--ima listenin i.e. reading---Gary--

George · July 25, 2003

God is LOVE -- God is more than a loving God -- but God is LOVE!

1 John 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

Think about Love -- first there must be a person that needs to be loved in order to love. Secondly there must be a lover in order to have love. And thirdly there must be love as a continuous action.

So it is with God who is from eternity past -- with no beginning nor an end. God is LOVE -- a lover -- the object of love and love itself. I believe this is often missed in trying to understand the TRIUNITY of God.

Your brother in Christ with much agape love,

George

BlindSeeker · July 25, 2003

God is LOVE -- God is more than a loving God -- but God is LOVE!

1 John 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

Think about Love -- first there must be a person that needs to be loved in order to love. Secondly there must be a lover in order to have love. And thirdly there must be love as a continuous action.

So it is with God who is from eternity past -- with no beginning nor an end. God is LOVE -- a lover -- the object of love and love itself. I believe this is often missed in trying to understand the TRIUNITY of God.

Your brother in Christ with much agape love,

George

My dear precious Brother George,

I find myself confronted with a delicate matter here . . . for I have much love and respect for you, (as well as full of way too much unexpressed gratitude for all your time and labor invested in this ministry of Worthy Boards) . . . yet finding myself unable to accept your line of reasoning here.

First, because apart from I John 4:16 (which does confirm that God is love . . . but does not limit God to love since God does hate as well . . . ) there are no other verses presented to confirm you presented suppositions. I find that to be to their discredit and not to their indorsement.

The main two points are, (1) because