Marilyn C Posted February 10 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 266 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,204 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 8,497 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted February 10 4 hours ago, Montana Marv said: The Statue is the only picture. The ten toes come out of Rome, the 4th Kingdom. Then what you are saying is that the Sunni's (Muslims) are aligning themselves with Rome (RCC) roman catholic church and the rest of the West (Europe) does not align themselves with Rome. So you must believe in two sets of Ten nations. In Christ Montana Marv I don`t see any scriptures telling us it is Rome? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted February 10 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,135 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted February 10 1 hour ago, Marilyn C said: I don`t see any scriptures telling us it is Rome? Babylon was succeeded by the Medes and Persians. Followed by Greece, then Followed by the Romans . Only 4 kingdoms revealed by the Statue. Sunni's not mentioned, Islam not mentioned, yet you mention them, I see no Scriptural evidence. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted February 10 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 266 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,204 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 8,497 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted February 10 39 minutes ago, Montana Marv said: Babylon was succeeded by the Medes and Persians. Followed by Greece, then Followed by the Romans . Only 4 kingdoms revealed by the Statue. Sunni's not mentioned, Islam not mentioned, yet you mention them, I see no Scriptural evidence. In Christ Montana Marv Yes, those first four are history. God judged their rulerships and they died and are in the grave. God does not bring them back to life. As to Islam, there are plenty of scriptures to show who they are. We know from scripture where the anti-Christ will arise & what his nationality is. We are also told that he is an Assyrian. Now this is a nationality even today. Andre Agassi, the famous tennis player is of Assyrian descent. Details of the anti-Christ – His nationality – Assyrian. `So the Lord of hosts will come down to fight for Mount Zion and for its hill. Like birds flying about, so will the Lord of hosts defend Jerusalem. Defending, He will also deliver it; passing over, He will preserve it. ...Then the Assyrian shall fall by a sword not of man...` (Isa. 31: 4 - 8) The region he comes from – the Ancient Assyrian Empire. (Dan. 11: 35 – 43) In Dan. 11 was predicted the course of world history involving continual warfare between two great empires, the legacy of Alexander the Great. The Seleucid dynasty identified as Assyria, the king of the North, and the Ptolemaic Dynasty, the King of the South, (ie Egypt including Libya). Dan. 11: 40 is finally directed to jump two thousand years until the `Time of the End.` These two areas in the Middle East would again return to the focus of world attention. Each contending for key leadership of the Arab countries, to be recognised as the Moslem Messiah. Dan. 11: 35 - 43 foretells that eventually at the `Appointed Time,` the King of the North will prevail. Herein is established beyond doubt or controversy, the final leader of Islam, the Moslem Messiah, will unmistakably appear in the area of the ancient Assyrian Empire; the King of the North. Leader of Ancient Assyrian region - Iraq, Syria & Jordan. (Dan. 7: 8) Ancient Assyria consisted of the present-day nations of Syia, Jordan and Iraq. Quite specifically, it is thus documented that it is from this composite area that this leader will come. These are the three nations who will obviously consolidate in the foreseeable future as the power-base for the Charismatic leader of Islam. Leader of Islamic Federation – 10 kings of Islam. (Dan. 7: 8, Rev. 17: 12) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douggg Posted February 17 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,143 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 220 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/18/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted February 17 On 2/10/2024 at 5:45 PM, Marilyn C said: His nationality – Assyrian. `So the Lord of hosts will come down to fight for Mount Zion and for its hill. Like birds flying about, so will the Lord of hosts defend Jerusalem. Defending, He will also deliver it; passing over, He will preserve it. ...Then the Assyrian shall fall by a sword not of man...` (Isa. 31: 4 - 8) The region he comes from – the Ancient Assyrian Empire. (Dan. 11: 35 – 43) Hi Marilyn, Isaiah live at the time of the southern kingdom of Judah and northern kingdom of Israel. Coinciding with the westward expansion of the Assyrian empire. Isaiah 31 is a prophecy against the king of Assyria of those days. Not an end times prophecy. ---------------------------- While Islam is a critical factor in the end times leading up to the Gog/Magog event in Ezekiel 38-39, it will will no longer be a force after Gog/Magog. The Muslim control of the temple mount will end and the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa mosque removed , and the Jews will build their temple in their place. The world is going to be pretty happy when that happens and will be saying "peace and safety", the middle east powder keg gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted February 17 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 266 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,204 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 8,497 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted February 17 8 hours ago, douggg said: Hi Marilyn, Isaiah live at the time of the southern kingdom of Judah and northern kingdom of Israel. Coinciding with the westward expansion of the Assyrian empire. Isaiah 31 is a prophecy against the king of Assyria of those days. Not an end times prophecy. ---------------------------- While Islam is a critical factor in the end times leading up to the Gog/Magog event in Ezekiel 38-39, it will will no longer be a force after Gog/Magog. The Muslim control of the temple mount will end and the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa mosque removed , and the Jews will build their temple in their place. The world is going to be pretty happy when that happens and will be saying "peace and safety", the middle east powder keg gone. If we look a bit closer at Isaiah 31: 4 - 8 we see that the time is future when the Lord comes to deliver Israel and bring vengeance upon the rebellious. `So the Lord of hosts will come down to fight for Mount Zion and for its hill. Like birds flying all about, so will the Lord of hosts defend Jerusalem. defending, He will also deliver it; passing over, He will preserve it........Then the Assyrian shall fall by a sword not of man...` Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douggg Posted February 18 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,143 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 220 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/18/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted February 18 (edited) 2 hours ago, Marilyn C said: If we look a bit closer at Isaiah 31: 4 - 8 we see that the time is future when the Lord comes to deliver Israel and bring vengeance upon the rebellious. `So the Lord of hosts will come down to fight for Mount Zion and for its hill. Like birds flying all about, so will the Lord of hosts defend Jerusalem. defending, He will also deliver it; passing over, He will preserve it........Then the Assyrian shall fall by a sword not of man...` Hi Marilyn, Just to be fair, this is the verse that is often used to support the Antichrist as being the Assyrian thinking. (back track to Micah 4:1, in the last days) Micah 5:5 And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men. If the Assyrian in verse 5 is an end times personality, I think he is the leader of one of the Gog/Magog nations - as the seven shepherds, and eight principal men destroy his homeland - the land of Nimrod. Perhaps he will be the leader of Iran. He will not be the Antichrist person, who eventually becomes the beast-king who will be broken by Jesus at Jesus's Second Coming and cast alive into the lake of fire. Edited February 18 by douggg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted February 18 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 266 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,204 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 8,497 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted February 18 3 hours ago, douggg said: Hi Marilyn, Just to be fair, this is the verse that is often used to support the Antichrist as being the Assyrian thinking. (back track to Micah 4:1, in the last days) Micah 5:5 And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men. If the Assyrian in verse 5 is an end times personality, I think he is the leader of one of the Gog/Magog nations - as the seven shepherds, and eight principal men destroy his homeland - the land of Nimrod. Perhaps he will be the leader of Iran. He will not be the Antichrist person, who eventually becomes the beast-king who will be broken by Jesus at Jesus's Second Coming and cast alive into the lake of fire. Thank you douggg, for giving it a `fair go.` Did you know that Andre Agassi, the famous tennis player is of Assyrian descent. And that is of the fertile Cresent - Syria, Iraq & Jordan. And they are NOT with the northern army when God deals with the Russian Federation, Iran, Libya & Ethiopia. And that matches with the `king of Babylon,` the `King of the North,` (from the Seleucid Dynasty from Alexander the Great). And again that matches the 3 nations - Syria, Iraq & Jordan. They will be the power base when the Assyrian rises to make a treaty with Israel. `I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots.` (Dan. 7: 8) In World War 1 (1914 - 1918) the Turks joined with Germany and eventually were defeated. The empire was then broken up into parts by the Allies. The British and the French made a secret agreement with each other, prior to the end of the war, to divide up the Middle East. The Arabs who fought on their side were promised an Arab homeland. However, once the war was ended, Britain took the land at the beginning of the rivers - Euphrates and Tigris, while the French had the upper region. They in effect had `drawn a line in the sand` and took control of their different regions - Iraq and Syria. This agreement is seen by many as the turning point in Western and Arab relationships. The borders that were created are often termed `artificial` borders in the Middle East without any regard to ethnic or sectarian characteristics which has resulted in endless conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douggg Posted February 18 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,143 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 220 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/18/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted February 18 (edited) Hi Marilyn, in Micah 5:6, it looks like the seven shepherds, and eight principal men destroy the homeland of the Assyrian. Where do you think land of Assyria and the land of Nimod in the entrances thereof - is ? I think you were saying - Syria, Iraq & Jordan. It looks like the verse is talking about Iran, imo. Which would make sense considering the position of Iran against Israel. And Iran's military and operatives. It could be a part of the Gog-Magog event, as the Assyrian comes into "our (Israel's) land" in verse 5. I don't see the Assyrian as being the Antichrist - who to become the Antichrist must be anointed the King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah that the Jews are expecting. The Assyrian appears to be an established foe against Israel. Michah 5: 5 And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men. 6 And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders. Edited February 18 by douggg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted February 18 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 266 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,204 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 8,497 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted February 18 12 hours ago, douggg said: Hi Marilyn, in Micah 5:6, it looks like the seven shepherds, and eight principal men destroy the homeland of the Assyrian. Where do you think land of Assyria and the land of Nimod in the entrances thereof - is ? I think you were saying - Syria, Iraq & Jordan. It looks like the verse is talking about Iran, imo. Which would make sense considering the position of Iran against Israel. And Iran's military and operatives. It could be a part of the Gog-Magog event, as the Assyrian comes into "our (Israel's) land" in verse 5. I don't see the Assyrian as being the Antichrist - who to become the Antichrist must be anointed the King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah that the Jews are expecting. The Assyrian appears to be an established foe against Israel. Michah 5: 5 And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men. 6 And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders. Yes, I see there is a near and far meaning for that prophecy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock Posted February 19 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,239 Content Per Day: 0.86 Reputation: 1,686 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/26/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted February 19 On 2/10/2024 at 4:15 PM, Marilyn C said: I don`t see any scriptures telling us it is Rome? It may not say Rome but the inference is pretty strong because what kingdom followed Greece? And you can’t say “Islam” because these are only kingdoms that subjugated Israel while they were in their land. Israel was out of the land around 135 AD…long before the Turks/Islam came into town. Thus, they don’t count. So what other kingdom after Greece ruled Israel while the Jews were back in their land? Can’t say GB either because when Israel became a nation in 48, they had left the house. So, if the bet is between Rome and the Turks, put my $2 down on Rome. 🤗 but I still and always will 💖 you Marilyn….its in my born again blood…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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