Jedi4Yahweh Posted March 19 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,955 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 636 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/12/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted March 19 (edited) 6 hours ago, AnOrangeCat said: I feel similarly. It's easy to want an authoritative government run by Christians now, but will it still be run by people who take their faith as seriously X number of years down the line? America was certainly founded with a lot of Christian ideas in mind, but now our government is a pretty far cry from that. The truth is there is no organization out there called Christian Nationalism well at least in the US. This is a strawman created by the left to label politicians and supporters who hold and fight for Christian values. Yes, some of them have accepted this label but its not an official organization. Edited March 20 by Jedi4Yahweh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJK Posted March 19 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 43 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 3,349 Content Per Day: 7.90 Reputation: 1,305 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/01/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted March 19 10 minutes ago, Jedi4Yahweh said: The truth is there is no organization out their called Christian Nationalism well at least in the US. This is a strawman created by the left to label politicians and supports who hold and fight for Christian values. Yes, some of them have accepted this label but its not an official organization. Just a made up strategy to vilify and generate repulsion for Christianity so that people will not turn to it if they are not Christian and will be hushed up about it it they are and become willing to violate it through compromise with the world. The US, along with Western civilization, is coming to its end. You will see more and more of this in coming years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marathoner Posted March 19 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 71 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,142 Content Per Day: 7.07 Reputation: 13,096 Days Won: 97 Joined: 05/24/2020 Status: Online Share Posted March 19 2 hours ago, Questioning said: Are you saying you would accept a theocracy if it was Christian? That happened in the middle ages and the eventual results were a disaster for centuries. Inquisitions, crusades, etc. Combining ANY religion with government results in a concentration of power, and power is addictive. As the saying goes, it corrupts. And absolute power, absolutely corrupts, which is what happened with the Catholic church and Rome. For me, I want absolute sepatation of church and state. Christianity was the state religion of the colonial European monarchies during the Age of Tall Ships (15th - late 18th centuries), and we have witnessed how that turned out. It was a disaster. It's important to recognize that The Vatican/Roman Catholic Church was not the only colonial religious power who conquered, murdered, enslaved, and desolated both peoples and lands in the name of Christ. The legacy of their evil is well-preserved in places like the state of New Mexico, the United States at large, Canada, Central America, South America, and Africa. Reformed/Protestant religious powers were also involved. An excellent example of a genocidal U.S. megalomaniac was President Andrew Jackson who declared that he would "Christianize" indigenous people. What actually happened according to this madman's purpose: the Trail of Tears. Christian Nationalism is the delusion that the world can be redeemed by self-styled Christians. We've seen this before. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted March 19 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,129 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,858 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted March 19 6 hours ago, Questioning said: Are you saying you would accept a theocracy if it was Christian? That happened in the middle ages and the eventual results were a disaster for centuries. Those people were not Christians, and they were not following what I read in the Bible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted March 19 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,129 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,858 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted March 19 3 hours ago, Marathoner said: Christianity was the state religion of the colonial European monarchies during the Age of Tall Ships (15th - late 18th centuries), and we have witnessed how that turned out. It was a disaster. It's important to recognize that The Vatican/Roman Catholic Church was not the only colonial religious power who conquered, murdered, enslaved, and desolated both peoples and lands in the name of Christ. The legacy of their evil is well-preserved in places like the state of New Mexico, the United States at large, Canada, Central America, South America, and Africa. Reformed/Protestant religious powers were also involved. An excellent example of a genocidal U.S. megalomaniac was President Andrew Jackson who declared that he would "Christianize" indigenous people. What actually happened according to this madman's purpose: the Trail of Tears. Christian Nationalism is the delusion that the world can be redeemed by self-styled Christians. We've seen this before. I hope you are not saying the Catholic Church was a Christian organization Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior12 Posted March 20 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 54 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,428 Content Per Day: 0.88 Reputation: 1,516 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/05/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted March 20 34 minutes ago, other one said: Those people were not Christians, and they were not following what I read in the Bible. Exactly. There were men who were burned at the stake for standing for the truth of the gospel and not reliquishing their covenant beliefs, even in those centuries. Christianity can have a broad meaning to many, as some think if one is born into a Christian family he is a Christian. This begs now for the definition of " A Christian". "a person who exemplifies in their life the teachings of Christ". 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Questioning Posted March 20 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 79 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 26 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/02/2021 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 20 4 hours ago, other one said: Those people were not Christians, and they were not following what I read in the Bible. 4 hours ago, other one said: I hope you are not saying the Catholic Church was a Christian organization But they were at one time. They were even the ones who decided what went into the New Testament. But after becoming the official church of Rome, The enormous power they had to play with corrupted them. That is the point I am making. And why I am so against any merging of church and state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marathoner Posted March 20 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 71 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,142 Content Per Day: 7.07 Reputation: 13,096 Days Won: 97 Joined: 05/24/2020 Status: Online Share Posted March 20 4 hours ago, other one said: I hope you are not saying the Catholic Church was a Christian organization No. However, there is a fair bit of ignorance regarding the evils committed by reformed/Protestant organizations and institutions so it's important to emphasize they were guilty of the same things that The Vatican had been doing. The best way for us in the U.S. to witness that revolves around the concentration camp system designed by the federal government to imprison (and eventually indoctrinate) indigenous tribes and nations, known as Reservations. It was implemented by the removal of men, women, and children at gunpoint from their ancestral lands in defiance of the Supreme Court's ruling. SCOTUS ruled that the Indian removal act was unconstitutional, but Andrew Jackson didn't care. He mustered militias and they did the deed. Thousands died during that inhuman death march. I'm sure you know about the Trail of Tears. It's one of many atrocities perpetrated upon indigenous people by men who professed the name of Jesus Christ. While I agree that those men were NOT in Christ, the world that is dying doesn't know that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted March 20 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,129 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,858 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted March 20 5 hours ago, Marathoner said: I agree that those men were NOT in Christ, the world that is dying doesn't know that. So let us educate people on the fact that they were not really Christians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted March 20 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted March 20 There is a paranoia among skeptics and disbelievers that Christians are out to take over the whole world. What is rather true is that Christians are trying to save the whole world by the spread of the Gospel. What skeptics and unbelievers do not understand is that we are all doomed for eternity without the saving Grace of the Lord Jesus Christ who paid for our salvation with his very life. And he made it so that all we need to do to receive this salvation is believe him: believe that he did it. John 3:16–18 (KJV) 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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