God's historic national rods of His wrath, discipline and purification of Israel and what that may portend.

[Michael37]

14 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Rome wasn't even the largest kingdom of its time .The Han dynasty was.

 

In terms of territorial extent and population, the Han Dynasty (China) was bigger than the Roman Empire. At its height in the second century AD, the Han Empire covered approximately 6.5 million square kilometers and had a population of around 60 million people.May 3, 2023

Sure, there is a vast sea of such principalities, which in the end give rise to the seven-headed-ten-horned antichrist entity which conveys the whore of Babylon until "she" becomes too burdensome and is destroyed as part of God's Unfolding Judgment.

Rev 17:1  Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying to me, "Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters,
Rev 17:15  Then he said to me, "The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues.
Rev 13:1  Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name.

[Shilohsfoal]

11 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

Sure, there is a vast sea of such principalities, which in the end give rise to the seven-headed-ten-horned antichrist entity which conveys the whore of Babylon until "she" becomes too burdensome and is destroyed as part of God's Unfolding Judgment.

Rev 17:1  Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying to me, "Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters,
Rev 17:15  Then he said to me, "The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues.
Rev 13:1  Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name.

I think there are plenty of people who would like to destroy that prostitute today if they could.Give it a couple of years and the Medes will be ready.

The city has a good ending after the prostitute gets burned so be sure and read to the end.

Isaiah 1

⁴ Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the Lord, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.

⁵ Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint.

⁶ From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment.

⁷ Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers.

⁸ And the daughter of Zion is left as a cottage in a vineyard, as a lodge in a garden of cucumbers, as a besieged city.

⁹ Except the Lord of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.

¹⁰ Hear the word of the Lord, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.

 

¹¹ To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

¹² When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?

¹³ Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.

¹⁴ Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

¹⁵ And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

¹⁶ Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;

¹⁷ Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow

 

¹⁸ Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

¹⁹ If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:

²⁰ But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.

²¹ How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.

²² Thy silver is become dross, thy wine mixed with water:

²³ Thy princes are rebellious, and companions of thieves: every one loveth gifts, and followeth after rewards: they judge not the fatherless, neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them.

²⁴ Therefore saith the Lord, the Lord of hosts, the mighty One of Israel, Ah, I will ease me of mine adversaries, and avenge me of mine enemies:

²⁵ And I will turn my hand upon thee, and purely purge away thy dross, and take away all thy tin:

²⁶ And I will restore thy judges as at the first, and thy counsellors as at the beginning: afterward thou shalt be called, The city of righteousness, the faithful city.

[Shilohsfoal]

2 hours ago, Jonathan Dane said:

This happens a lot: Rather than address "my texts" as I do yours, you simply ignore them and move on to your next pretext. 

Let's take a closer look at this little "country" horn.

"I considered the horns, and behold, there came up among them another horn, a little one, before which three of the first horns were plucked up by the roots. And behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking great things." (Daniel 7:8)

"I looked then because of the sound of the great words that the horn was speaking. And as I looked, the beast was killed, and its body destroyed and given over to be burned with fire. (Daniel 7:11)

"the horn that had eyes and a mouth that spoke great things, and that seemed greater than its companions." (Daniel 7:19-20)

"He shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High and shall think to change the times and the law; and they shall be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time." (Daniel 7:25-26)

"23And at the latter end of their kingdom, when the transgressors have reached their limit, a king of bold face, one who understands riddles, shall arise. 24His power shall be great—but not by his own power; and he shall cause fearful destruction and shall succeed in what he does, and destroy mighty men and the people who are the saints. 25By his cunning he shall make deceit prosper under his hand, and in his own mind he shall become great. Without warning he shall destroy many. And he shall even rise up against the Prince of princes, and he shall be broken—but by no human hand.

That should sufice. But we could head over to Daniel 11 if you'd like more.

Horns in Scripture represent both countries AND the Kings ruling them, who are anointed by oil contained in a "horn."


 

Now if we go over to Daniel 11,we will find the little horn being given a host by the man of sin.Same as Daniel 8.

 

Daniel 8:12

And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

 

Daniel 11:31

31 “His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation. 

 

 

See the armed forces belong to the man of sin.They are his armed forces.But he gives them to the little horn so that the daily sacrifice is abolished.

You picking up what I'm throwing down?

[Jonathan Dane]

1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Now if we go over to Daniel 11,we will find the little horn being given a host by the man of sin.Same as Daniel 8.

 

Daniel 8:12

And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

 

Daniel 11:31

31 “His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation. 

 

 

See the armed forces belong to the man of sin.They are his armed forces.But he gives them to the little horn so that the daily sacrifice is abolished.

You picking up what I'm throwing down?

LOL You did it again. Weeeeeeee!

It is not easy to keep your focus in one place. You just completely ignore my points, which are equipped with Scripture and highlighted in boldface type, showing that these references have a human being at the center of power, and he is the Little Horn, the Beast, the Antichrist.

Will the Antichrist have those in Israel "who forsake the covenant?" Yes. But that does not prove that Israel is the Whore, and neither does it prove Islamic nations are the Beast.

Edited April 4 by Jonathan Dane

[Jonathan Dane]

9 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Which one of the millions of antichrist is that?

The final (last) one.

[Jonathan Dane]

9 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Everything you just quoted about the little horn fits Israel like a glove.Ive known that for more than 20 years now.

The little horn was seeking to change laws before this war started.I expect he will return to it later this year or early next.

 

By the way.Who is given that kingdom.of the little horn after it is burned?

 

Daniel 7

²⁵ And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

²⁶ But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

²⁷ And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

 

 

Well look at that would you.

The seed of Abraham has inherited the land promised to them thousands of years ago.Just goes to show you,God keeps his promises.

"The little horn was seeking to change laws before this war started."

"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution." (Donald Trump—April 3, 2022)

"The seed of Abraham has inherited the land promised to them thousands of years ago.Just goes to show you,God keeps his promises."

You have one problem. That didn't happen thousands of years ago. Daniel is addressing HIS PEOPLE—The Jews. The text says of them: "whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him."

The Jews did not have an everlasting kingdom. They were scattered in A.D. 70. And neither do "all dominions shall serve and obey him." The dominions today serve "the god of this world," a.k.a. SATAN.

And please respond back saying this kingdom is merely spiritual. I have my verses on the ready.

[Shilohsfoal]

9 hours ago, Jonathan Dane said:

LOL You did it again. Weeeeeeee!

It is not easy to keep your focus in one place. You just completely ignore my points, which are equipped with Scripture and highlighted in boldface type, showing that these references have a human being at the center of power, and he is the Little Horn, the Beast, the Antichrist.

Will the Antichrist have those in Israel "who forsake the covenant?" Yes. But that does not prove that Israel is the Whore, and neither does it prove Islamic nations are the Beast.

The boldface text of yours shows Israel defeating Syria,Jordan and Egypt .That war took place before Benjamin netanyahu became primi minister.Therefore the he in your texts is the Israeli government as a whole which calls itself Israel.

You brought the little horn into the discussion,I'm just following suit.

Also the ten that came up before the little horn came up in 1948,all came up before 1948.

These are past prophecies you quoted.

The next verse to be fulfilled which you quoted is

Daniel 7

²⁵ And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

 

 

As I said,the little horn was trying to change laws before this war started.Im.sure he will resume latter this year or the beginning of next.The persecution of the saints in Israel also mentioned in this verse does not start until the man of sin gives netanyahu his armed forces and the daily sacrifice is abolished.

The United States armed forces occupy Israel for 42 months.During that time,the leaders of Jerusalem will persecute the saints in Israel.

 

Mathew 23:34

Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
 

 

The saints are not persecuted in the United states. They are imprisoned and killed In Israel by Israel's rulers.

Edited April 4 by Shilohsfoal

[Shilohsfoal]

3 hours ago, Jonathan Dane said:

"The little horn was seeking to change laws before this war started."

"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution." (Donald Trump—April 3, 2022)

"The seed of Abraham has inherited the land promised to them thousands of years ago.Just goes to show you,God keeps his promises."

You have one problem. That didn't happen thousands of years ago. Daniel is addressing HIS PEOPLE—The Jews. The text says of them: "whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him."

The Jews did not have an everlasting kingdom. They were scattered in A.D. 70. And neither do "all dominions shall serve and obey him." The dominions today serve "the god of this world," a.k.a. SATAN.

And please respond back saying this kingdom is merely spiritual. I have my verses on the ready.

I said the kingdom was promised to the seed of Abraham thousands of years ago.

Genesis 17

⁸ And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

 

 

God promised to give the land of Canaan ,where the little horn dwells today ,to the seed of Abraham for an everlasting possession.After the little horns kingdom is destroyed,that kingdom will be given to Abrahams seed for an everlasting possession.

 

Daniel 7

 

²⁶ But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

²⁷ And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

 

 

The kingdom.will be taken from the antichrist Jews who govern it day and given to the saints of Israel for an everlasting possession.All them in Christ who is Abrahams seed.

 

Galatians 3:16

The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.

 

 

The prophecy has nothing to do with Rome or the americas.Rome was never promised to be an everlasting kingdom for the seed of Abraham nor was America.

Edited April 4 by Shilohsfoal

[Shilohsfoal]

3 hours ago, Jonathan Dane said:

"The little horn was seeking to change laws before this war started."

"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution." (Donald Trump—April 3, 2022)

"The seed of Abraham has inherited the land promised to them thousands of years ago.Just goes to show you,God keeps his promises."

You have one problem. That didn't happen thousands of years ago. Daniel is addressing HIS PEOPLE—The Jews. The text says of them: "whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him."

The Jews did not have an everlasting kingdom. They were scattered in A.D. 70. And neither do "all dominions shall serve and obey him." The dominions today serve "the god of this world," a.k.a. SATAN.

And please respond back saying this kingdom is merely spiritual. I have my verses on the ready.

Here are the saints in their everlasting kingdom.This  the same land wherein the little horns kingdom was located before it's destruction 

 

 

Revelation 20

⁹ And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

 

These saints are not in America.

[luigi]

On 4/2/2024 at 4:09 PM, Jonathan Dane said:

My response: Excellent question. And the answer is not simple.

I believe things are going to change geopolitically over the next few years. For starters, I think the days of the presidency in this country are limited. I don't say that Donald Trump is going to be re-elected. I say he is going to return to power. Whether that is through an election or some other means remains to be seen.

I think it is likely that he remains in power in this country, but that that power will extend out from there, especially into Europe and the Middle East.
 

I see things somewhat similarly with you Jonathan Dane.

In Daniel 8:5-7,  we see the he goat with its notable horn who traverses the whole earth from the West without touching the ground (utilizing its air force) to annihilate Media and Persia (Iraq and Iran), during these end times (Daniel 8:17 & 19-20).

After conquering Media and Persia, the he goats notable horn secedes into four horns (national powers). So yes, things are going to change geopolitically, once Persia/Iran is annihilated by the he goats notable horn (military air force).