Rev 16:18 suggests an Old Earth??

[Still Alive]

19 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Are you not able to show me why my points aren't valid"

It's all covered in the links I provided. In fact, sometimes I even shared search terms that will get you straight to a very well presented argument. Again, no need for me to re-invent the wheel.

[FreeGrace]

30 minutes ago, Still Alive said:

FreeGrace said:

Yet, you haven't even tried.  I've given you my reasons from Scripture.

I've tried for almost two decades.

Not with me.

30 minutes ago, Still Alive said:

Now I just supply links. No need to re-invent the wheel. 

The problem from my perspective is that those who defer to links are apparently unable to defend their position from their own perspective.  And links are static.  I prefer dynamic interaction.

30 minutes ago, Still Alive said:

I see this as one of those "lead a horse to water" things.

I don't.  I was hoping you could explain why my clearly laid out view is in error, if it is.

[FreeGrace]

31 minutes ago, Still Alive said:

FreeGrace said:

Are you not able to show me why my points aren't valid"

It's all covered in the links I provided.

To that, I say that you are not able to easily show why my points are valid.  Again, I prefer dynamic rather than static interaction.

Believe the links all you want.  But if not able to "digest" and 'regurgitate' what they claim with evidence, what's the point of discussion?

31 minutes ago, Still Alive said:

In fact, sometimes I even shared search terms that will get you straight to a very well presented argument. Again, no need for me to re-invent the wheel.

I'm not dealing with wheels, but rather with you.  But, you haven't even tried to point out where my error is, if there is one.

If I recall correctly, I dealt with an annihilationist last year.  His view demanded that Rev 20 was only metaphorical and not literal.  That's where the discussion broke down.  

When one takes a whole chapter and reduces it to metaphors and figures of speech, they have the latitude to make it mean anything they want it to mean.

Rev 20 is literal.  

[Still Alive]

15 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Not with me.

The problem from my perspective is that those who defer to links are apparently unable to defend their position from their own perspective.  And links are static.  I prefer dynamic interaction.

I don't.  I was hoping you could explain why my clearly laid out view is in error, if it is.

To quote Joe Biden, "C'mon, man!"

I have tried with you. But I no longer argue subjects like this ad-nausium when I can defer to easy to read articles and often even point someone directly to the parts of said ariticles or books that address their specific question. 

I hereby invoke the wisdom outlined here: Bible Verses About Arguing

 

Edited July 23, 2024 by Still Alive

[FreeGrace]

4 hours ago, Still Alive said:

It's all covered in the links I provided. In fact, sometimes I even shared search terms that will get you straight to a very well presented argument. Again, no need for me to re-invent the wheel.

Again, I prefer a dynamic discussion, rather than reading a static article.  

But if you can't take the material from the link and refute my pov, that's ok.

[FreeGrace]

3 hours ago, Still Alive said:

To quote Joe Biden, "C'mon, man!"

Well, I don't know any anyone would want to quote him, but I could say the same to you.  I can't discuss with an article, or link.

3 hours ago, Still Alive said:

I have tried with you.

No, you haven't.  Referring me to some link is hardly trying.

3 hours ago, Still Alive said:

But I no longer argue subjects like this ad-nausium when I can defer to easy to read articles and often even point someone directly to the parts of said ariticles or books that address their specific question. 

I hereby invoke the wisdom outlined here: Bible Verses About Arguing

OK, I got it.  You don't want to, which may very well mean you can't.  No problem.

Anyway, my pov is solid because of what the Bible says.  I'm not interested in debating a link.

[FreeGrace]

Still Alive:

What are your thoughts about Matt 25:46?

New International Version
“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

New Living Translation
“And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life.”

English Standard Version
And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Berean Standard Bible
And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Berean Literal Bible
And these will go away into eternal punishment; but the righteous into eternal life."

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And these will go into eternal torture, and the righteous into eternal life.” 

Literal Standard Version
And these will go away into continuous punishment, but the righteous into continuous life.”