Prophecy

[tatwo]

On 9/12/2024 at 3:36 PM, Starise said:

The question then is, if the tumblers don't line up are they quenching the Spirit? You seem to be saying yes to that and I would agree.

Starise…thank you for your thoughtful reply…

I believe that I understand your perspective…concerning the “church.” I have no doubt based upon your “written” testimony on these forums that you are on your Spirit journey in the Kingdom of God and that is refreshing to my spirit…has been a number of times.

I do agree as you state, that if the tumblers don’t line up the Spirit is quenched. Additionally I see a “religious institutional structure” which is similar in so many ways to the “corporate hierarchal structure”…both of which I have spent years in…as the tumbler that cannot line up.

Starise…if I may…the institutional corporate structure is not hard to understand in my opinion…so I won’t go into it much here…it’s top down…just like the governmental structure of the U.S. or any other nation really.

For reasons clearly established in Scripture and agreeable to the Holy Spirit…this form of governance or administration of God’s house and people is verboten…it’s not the Kingdom of God. It is not how our Father orders His house…it is how the “church” is ordered.

The Lord spoke to this In Matthew 20…“But Jesus called them to Himself and said,  “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great men exercise authority over them.  "It is not this way among you, but whoever wishes to become great among you shall be your servant, and whoever wishes to be first among you shall be your slave;  just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”

That’s the difference as I see it…The Kingdom of God…is a loving Father…Son relationship which is lost in the “church”…and is not governed by a top down…man over men authority structure…remember…“for the one who is least among all of you, this is the one who is great.”

I will come at this from another angle…consider the “full” meaning of “Christ?” Since He is no longer “flesh and blood” we no longer know Him…as a man [flesh and blood]…He is an eternal life giving Spirit called “Lord Yahshua Christ.”

“Christ” comes forth from the Lord reconciling “Jews and gentiles” into “One New Man” referenced as “His Body”…of which He is the Head on that Body. This “Body or Christ” (from here forward I define either as “Head and Body”) “is a Spirit Man” made up of the Holy Spirit and the “spirits of the righteous made perfect.”

The Holy Spirit assembles the “Body…Christ” together…”as each part fitted and held together by what every joint supplies, according to the proper working of each individual part.” These parts are those who have received His eternal life…as reported by Paul in Ephesians 2 where he wrote…”For we are His [Father’s] workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.”

This is a “picture” Starise…that does not seem to be realized by the “church”…”good works which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them”…this is the “proper working of each individual part.” God has a “specific intent” for each of those He “chose in Christ before the foundation of the world”…”according to His purpose who works all things after the council of His will”…again we are encouraged…“to walk worthy of the calling with which you were called.”

I hope that you can see the picture here my brother…the Body of Christ is not “give me your hand, give God your heart, and join the church of your choice today”…nor is it “live your best life now”…that’s the “church.”

The “Body of Christ” is conformed precisely according to the Fathers specific desire and intention…the Lord…right down to the roll or function of each individual “called in Christ” from “before the foundation of the world.” Each one having “a call with which they were called”…“one Body, one Spirit to which you were called in one hope of your calling.”

It’s a picture of divine orchestration…where “the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.” This is not the “church.”

As I have said a number of times Starise…the “corpus Christi”…”Son(s) of God” are not yet fully mature…however He is long past His infancy, toddler, adolescent, and probably exiting His young adult stages to become a mature Man on His way to becoming “the perfect man…to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ.” That’s what Paul wrote in Ephesians 4.

Conflating of the “Body of Christ” with the “church” is not acceptable to the Lord Starise…all the grace(s) of God flows without hindrance in His house under the “teaching and guidance” of the Holy Spirit just as Paul wrote. This is because this has always been a Loving Father and Son relationship in the Spirit…not an institutional top down power over people rule by man, men or the Babylonian harlot in the flesh.

The parts (sons M & F) are beginning to operate maturely in their call/function/role/part in alignment with their Head. He is being seasoned and tested now…and there is some tribulation here at this point…and just ahead for the purpose of perfecting the Saints…which it will do…guaranteed.

This “Son of God”…”Christ…Head and Body” is one day soon going to bring the Father’s original intention for creation to bear upon His creation…the dragon…the beast…the harlot and the lawless one…the “Son of God…Christ” is not leaving the earth until He has completed His Father’s will.

The “churches” do not see any of this…leading to denominational dysfunction...which is why there is always a commotion concerning the manifested presence and graces of the Holy Spirit in that house. The majority of that house is intent upon leaving in rapture…going to heaven…of course…it’s what the harlot has taught them...in that there is no need to concern ones self with "conformity to Christ" that comes via "spiritual maturity"...they stay children brother.

I am not trying to be mean or inconsiderate here Starise…this is a desperate hour…I am sounding the alarm…the “church” is a beggarly people whose house is on fire…they are confused exactly like these forums reveal. Scripture makes this case…but they won’t listen…will you?

The house of God is ordered via “apostles, prophets, evangelists, shepherds and teachers” all graces of the living God Himself under the loving eyes of the Holy Spirit are in operation…of course it’s the Kingdom of our God on Earth.

The “church” is an institution in the hands of the dragon through the harlotries of the witch of Babylon…she…the church...is in spiritual slavery in her Babylonian captivity but this time she does not realize it…and you cannot tell her otherwise?

The Kingdom of God is an invisible eternal spiritual reality…not a building folks go to on Sunday morning to hear a man speak for God…or to one of those keep you busy Wednesday night assembly’s where one can exercise their “divine call” in the coffee, usher, greeter, nursery ministries while they “watch and wait” for the rapture…it’s was never going to play out like that…and sooner than we like that will become reality.

That is where the love of God will be most evident in creation for our brothers and sisters who have not prepared via spiritual maturity.

Tatwo...:)

[SeedofSource]

On 9/12/2024 at 5:30 AM, Starise said:

Thanks for sharing. This can be a difficult gift sometimes. There is a lot of variation. I have told people words God gave me for them. Some more mundane and some downright bizarre. One of the last things I saw was a word I gave to an almost complete stranger. I am not sure of the outcome. They received it and at the time it mean’t nothing, but maybe over time it will.

I have gone through a dry spell recently so I’m not the type that gets these things all the time. A few weeks ago I had a dream that I’m sure was only intended for me. The subject was about someone else and I know it wasn’t to be told. 

 The Holy Spirit might show us a thing but then we use the information in a way not intended. I think I’ve been guilty of that. If you don’t know what to do with something. Do nothing.

Other times I just get these impressions about a given situation. I was passing out bibles at a local university with the Gideons yesterday. As I looked at those students God showed me how they will all be old before you know it. I mean, that isn’t really a secret, but the thought struck me that they were all headed to judgement with only the illusion that they had everything under control, many of them defiant to God. It was as if before you know it, they are all adults grappling with life. There is a real problem when our devices are now a part of what we are. They have blocked the world out in exchange for their empty man made worlds. Luckily some of this generation know exactly what’s going on. Many of them are wise to it.

I had to give it some time to think on my response and wait for the Lord. Pertaining to what you wrote about passing out Bibles, I would keep your hopes up.
That’s how I came to know the Lord when going down the wrong path. There were people placed in my life on three occasions that offered me a Bible that I took, and I bought a Christian cross on a whim that I kept both at a festival dedicated to salmon.

And again, when I was in the hospital, the janitor placed Gideon in the rooms and allowed people to take them home.

After returning home from the hospital, I wanted a yellow room like the one I stayed in because the colour is so cheery and my family and I sold their home and I moved back in with them and…

I did get that yellow room… The front door has a knocker that is a Christian cross with two hands holding a heart.

Later, after falling into the same stuff, I picked up my Bible, was convicted, truly realized that God’s words are alive and that’s when I fully converted. 

Never underestimate the power of planting a seed. 💗🙏

[tatwo]

On 4/15/2024 at 5:52 PM, Starise said:

Maybe even more misunderstood than tongues generally speaking amongst mainline denominations.

Who would care to discuss this?

Ok…so…perhaps you did not recognize the “Truth” of my post to you Starise? Many are offended at the Truth…it was prophesied and that is to be expected. Yet Truth is to be proclaimed none the less. What I posted is not taught in the “church”…which is where you pointed in regards to the confusion over the manifest presence of the Holy Spirit and His graces…and for which this particular forum was created. This dysfunction has been on display for nearly 2 millennia.

Truth Himself is currently shaking creation…and the “false church - can you say apostasy?"

So what is the real issue surrounding “Prophecy?” Did we get there? Where is the discussion @Starise?

Did you all…not realize that “prophecy…prophesy…prophet…prophetic…prophetess” are all the characteristics of the “spirit of prophecy” which is the “testimony” of our Lord Yahshua Christ? (Jesus)

“Testimony” used there…is from the root word “martureó” - to bear witness, testify…it is the word “marturia” - witness, evidence, testimony, reputation. His presence in Spirit is discerned by our spirits…that is...if we are born of the Spirit. “The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God”…Paul from Romans 8.

With that elementary understanding…one should have understood that I intentionally “prophesied” to the reader concerning the “Body of Christ…both Head and Body.” Was it not accepted? Was I wrong? Am I a false prophet? Where are my accusers? In any case there was almost no real discussion at all...it is more like an outright denial.

One of the things I understood about the “church” and the primary reason I left after 20 years…20 years ago…is that…they do not…in Truth…practice the Lord’s command according to John 13… “A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.” This is the authenticating verification of the Kingdom of God in our midst…anything less is anti-christ.

I understand this…they (church) typically only see each other a couple of times a week…some “churches” are better than others about that…but…this practice does not allow the congregation to “spiritually and intimately experience the Christ in each other”…koinonia.

They are so busy with “providing for and protecting themselves”…let’s be careful not to disturb their routine with Truth.

This is not difficult to understand…nor is it difficult to explain. Where ever the Lord of Glory is…you will find the “Spirit of prophecy” which is His “manifest presence”…the “Holy Spirit”…if not…well then we have some insight into the confusion and absence of His graces in that environment…right?

Peter puts it this way in 2^nd Peter 1…”for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.”

Paul in 1^st Corinthians 12 states… "Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit.  And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord.  There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons.  But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit [the testimony of Yahshua] for the common good.” This is the testimony of the Lord Yahshua Christ…if this is not happening…you have the “church”...not the Body...this is self evident to the "sons of God."

So…in this light…for “prophecy” to be misunderstood in the “church” of your favorite choice means what? It means the manifest presence of the Lord Yahshua which is the proof that the Holy Spirit is in your midst…and that you are in the temple of God...is largely unrealized. In that environment…only man's religion is propagated…Babylon.

John wrote in Revelation 19 that it is “your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus”…which is the “spirit of prophecy.” Paul testified in Romans 8…“But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you.”  

Followed by…“Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.” For those who in this place…the graces of God are immature…distorted…perverted and denied if existent at all!

Once again…the call of the Father…“And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I WILL DWELL IN THEM AND WALK AMONG THEM. I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE."  Therefore "COME OUT FROM AMONG THEM AND BE SEPARATE, SAYS THE LORD. DO NOT TOUCH WHAT IS UNCLEAN, AND I WILL RECEIVE YOU."  "I WILL BE A FATHER TO YOU, AND YOU SHALL BE MY SONS AND DAUGHTERS, SAYS THE LORD ALMIGHTY.” Brother Paul…2^nd Corinthians 6.

I will trouble you folks no longer in this forum unless requested…receive the prophecy put forth here and repent if you need to…be affirmed if you receive the prophecy...if you love the Truth. If not…stand in the rejection of the same.

In the former you will receive enlightenment unto growth and maturity in Christ…in the latter one will continue to be calloused to Truth under the leadership of the harlot and her false church…the false bride…which is currently experiencing apostasy exactly as prophesied.

Tatwo...:)

[Starise]

On 9/14/2024 at 4:01 PM, tatwo said:

Starise…thank you for your thoughtful reply…

I believe that I understand your perspective…concerning the “church.” I have no doubt based upon your “written” testimony on these forums that you are on your Spirit journey in the Kingdom of God and that is refreshing to my spirit…has been a number of times.

I do agree as you state, that if the tumblers don’t line up the Spirit is quenched. Additionally I see a “religious institutional structure” which is similar in so many ways to the “corporate hierarchal structure”…both of which I have spent years in…as the tumbler that cannot line up.

Starise…if I may…the institutional corporate structure is not hard to understand in my opinion…so I won’t go into it much here…it’s top down…just like the governmental structure of the U.S. or any other nation really.

For reasons clearly established in Scripture and agreeable to the Holy Spirit…this form of governance or administration of God’s house and people is verboten…it’s not the Kingdom of God. It is not how our Father orders His house…it is how the “church” is ordered.

The Lord spoke to this In Matthew 20…“But Jesus called them to Himself and said,  “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great men exercise authority over them.  "It is not this way among you, but whoever wishes to become great among you shall be your servant, and whoever wishes to be first among you shall be your slave;  just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”

That’s the difference as I see it…The Kingdom of God…is a loving Father…Son relationship which is lost in the “church”…and is not governed by a top down…man over men authority structure…remember…“for the one who is least among all of you, this is the one who is great.”

I will come at this from another angle…consider the “full” meaning of “Christ?” Since He is no longer “flesh and blood” we no longer know Him…as a man [flesh and blood]…He is an eternal life giving Spirit called “Lord Yahshua Christ.”

“Christ” comes forth from the Lord reconciling “Jews and gentiles” into “One New Man” referenced as “His Body”…of which He is the Head on that Body. This “Body or Christ” (from here forward I define either as “Head and Body”) “is a Spirit Man” made up of the Holy Spirit and the “spirits of the righteous made perfect.”

The Holy Spirit assembles the “Body…Christ” together…”as each part fitted and held together by what every joint supplies, according to the proper working of each individual part.” These parts are those who have received His eternal life…as reported by Paul in Ephesians 2 where he wrote…”For we are His [Father’s] workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.”

This is a “picture” Starise…that does not seem to be realized by the “church”…”good works which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them”…this is the “proper working of each individual part.” God has a “specific intent” for each of those He “chose in Christ before the foundation of the world”…”according to His purpose who works all things after the council of His will”…again we are encouraged…“to walk worthy of the calling with which you were called.”

I hope that you can see the picture here my brother…the Body of Christ is not “give me your hand, give God your heart, and join the church of your choice today”…nor is it “live your best life now”…that’s the “church.”

The “Body of Christ” is conformed precisely according to the Fathers specific desire and intention…the Lord…right down to the roll or function of each individual “called in Christ” from “before the foundation of the world.” Each one having “a call with which they were called”…“one Body, one Spirit to which you were called in one hope of your calling.”

It’s a picture of divine orchestration…where “the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.” This is not the “church.”

As I have said a number of times Starise…the “corpus Christi”…”Son(s) of God” are not yet fully mature…however He is long past His infancy, toddler, adolescent, and probably exiting His young adult stages to become a mature Man on His way to becoming “the perfect man…to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ.” That’s what Paul wrote in Ephesians 4.

Conflating of the “Body of Christ” with the “church” is not acceptable to the Lord Starise…all the grace(s) of God flows without hindrance in His house under the “teaching and guidance” of the Holy Spirit just as Paul wrote. This is because this has always been a Loving Father and Son relationship in the Spirit…not an institutional top down power over people rule by man, men or the Babylonian harlot in the flesh.

The parts (sons M & F) are beginning to operate maturely in their call/function/role/part in alignment with their Head. He is being seasoned and tested now…and there is some tribulation here at this point…and just ahead for the purpose of perfecting the Saints…which it will do…guaranteed.

This “Son of God”…”Christ…Head and Body” is one day soon going to bring the Father’s original intention for creation to bear upon His creation…the dragon…the beast…the harlot and the lawless one…the “Son of God…Christ” is not leaving the earth until He has completed His Father’s will.

The “churches” do not see any of this…leading to denominational dysfunction...which is why there is always a commotion concerning the manifested presence and graces of the Holy Spirit in that house. The majority of that house is intent upon leaving in rapture…going to heaven…of course…it’s what the harlot has taught them...in that there is no need to concern ones self with "conformity to Christ" that comes via "spiritual maturity"...they stay children brother.

I am not trying to be mean or inconsiderate here Starise…this is a desperate hour…I am sounding the alarm…the “church” is a beggarly people whose house is on fire…they are confused exactly like these forums reveal. Scripture makes this case…but they won’t listen…will you?

The house of God is ordered via “apostles, prophets, evangelists, shepherds and teachers” all graces of the living God Himself under the loving eyes of the Holy Spirit are in operation…of course it’s the Kingdom of our God on Earth.

The “church” is an institution in the hands of the dragon through the harlotries of the witch of Babylon…she…the church...is in spiritual slavery in her Babylonian captivity but this time she does not realize it…and you cannot tell her otherwise?

The Kingdom of God is an invisible eternal spiritual reality…not a building folks go to on Sunday morning to hear a man speak for God…or to one of those keep you busy Wednesday night assembly’s where one can exercise their “divine call” in the coffee, usher, greeter, nursery ministries while they “watch and wait” for the rapture…it’s was never going to play out like that…and sooner than we like that will become reality.

That is where the love of God will be most evident in creation for our brothers and sisters who have not prepared via spiritual maturity.

Tatwo...:)

Hello Tatwo, Please don't mistake me being busy with a disinterest in the topic :) I always get back here sooner or later.

I am certainly not above correction here if it is warranted, but I most like discussion where we at least try and give each other the benefit of the doubt.

I see that maybe the term "The church" could have been misconstrued. Some think the "church" to be a worldly establishment and in many cases it is as you have noted. Others  hear that same term and associate it with  The Lords body of believers here on this earh.

So it is very easy depending on your background to associate it in different ways. The bible speaks of the church as us, you and I. 

There are two extremes as I see it. There is the "them and us" extreme where all organized churches are demonized, then there is the other view that anything with a cross on it is a church. The way I see this is there must be some organization so far as having a place to meet, keeping the lights on, deciding who is leading various groups  men, women and children, keeping the local church in line with the bible. Having the wisdom to deal with newcomers in a way that best serves them and so forth. There may not be much differentiation between the harlot Babylon church and the real church if all we look at  surface functional asthetics.

Some "churches" squelch the function and capabilities for several reasons. If we can't be what we are, then that's a problem and should warrant us going somewhere else, if what we are is in line with what God wants us to be. Make sense? I guess we can all share personal experiences at churches we have attended and been a part of. To be fair, churches are made up of fallible humans, but I think we need to differentiate that from those who lack what Paul said was the most important thing, Love. If we don't have love , then we don't have anything.God is love and if we don't have it we are not of Him.

I am not here to scold anyone that has left a church because you felt you had good reasons for leaving. And to be honest there are good churches that teach the word and bad churches that might not teach the word or have people who do not encourage and love as believers should be doing.

Paul also said that the body of Christ has different members with different functions. So  prophecy doesn't figure in with everyone. Neither did I want to give the impression I think I'm some kind of a super prophet that sees extra biblical things. If I ever say anything that doesn't align with the word, call me on it. Not my intention. I have been desiring the gifts of the Spirit for some time now, and I have felt blessed to have been used in minor capacities.

Even though some of these churches are going the wrong way, I have found sincere believers full of love in churches I part ways doctrinally with.I try not to get hung up on it. The great whore of Babylon, or the whore church or churches substitute mainline Christian teachings with false teaching or they emphasize some things and omit other things. They might even have the correct beliefs in writing but noone practices any of it. Little known factiod. Satanists often integrate into churches and try to look Christian. Scary huh? It's a way for them to cover up thier secret activities and look legit to their communities. 

 

 

 

 

[Starise]

On 9/14/2024 at 7:34 PM, SeedofSource said:

I had to give it some time to think on my response and wait for the Lord. Pertaining to what you wrote about passing out Bibles, I would keep your hopes up.
That’s how I came to know the Lord when going down the wrong path. There were people placed in my life on three occasions that offered me a Bible that I took, and I bought a Christian cross on a whim that I kept both at a festival dedicated to salmon.

And again, when I was in the hospital, the janitor placed Gideon in the rooms and allowed people to take them home.

After returning home from the hospital, I wanted a yellow room like the one I stayed in because the colour is so cheery and my family and I sold their home and I moved back in with them and…

I did get that yellow room… The front door has a knocker that is a Christian cross with two hands holding a heart.

Later, after falling into the same stuff, I picked up my Bible, was convicted, truly realized that God’s words are alive and that’s when I fully converted. 

Never underestimate the power of planting a seed. 💗🙏

Thank you so much! I am very encouraged over this! I met another person who told me they found a bible in the trash and were saved as a result. That person went on to missions work and is a strong believer today. :)

I am so encouraged by the things you told me about your life. God also too me through some tough things in my life to get me to thwe right place, and He continually lovingly guides me in His ways. Praise the Lord!!

I never want to see any valuable human being as a person beyond hope. 

Be blessed!