Far out/random thoughts on unholy trinity

[Dennis1209]

I believe we are living in and witnessing the culmination of the end times. We can now easily imagine how technology will play a role in all buying and selling, one world currency, no privacy, and globally seeing the Two Witnesses in real time [UN Agenda 2030, WEF, Elon Musk constellation satellites, quantum computing, etc.]. The following, of course, is my speculation:

Revelation 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. [emphasis mine]

As Nebuchadnezzar’s image, this image of the Beast is manufactured by human hands and requires worship defacto. The image will no doubt be a technological marvel, a stand-alone proxy, and a representation of the Beast, as Nebuchadnezzar. Capable of making instantaneous decisions on buying and selling, who controls life or death.

I do not know what the mark of the Beast will be. However, the grain of rice-sized RFID chip is impressive in what it can and is doing now in animals and humans. In the book of Revelation, this mark appears to be administered globally in about one year, give or take.

Other than commerce, there must be an irresistible incentive for the masses to accept it readily. What if these RFID chips could monitor disease onset, heart attack, aging, and intervention through nanotechnology, nanobots, and DNA enhancement? Is that out of the current technology realm we know about?

Knowledge and philosophy have been worshipped throughout the ages. The worship of artificial intelligence is gaining traction and producing AI churches. I imagine the image as a replica or clone of the Beast in technological form. Governments and militaries always get the first use of new technologies for war and control. For example, GPS was banned for public use, watered down for civilian use, and then released to the general population as other governments had perfected it.

As was alluded to by @NConly, the public has acquired only a taste of what DARPA programs have developed and what is already in government(s) use. If you have been following the primitive development of “Sophie the Robot” on YouTube, it is mind-blowing, a taste of primitive, outdated technology.

As @AnOrangeCat mentioned, people desire to escape by dying but cannot. Is that because they became indestructible through DNA or technological means? Or have they lost their own will and are controlled by demonic possession? I suspect the latter.

We know demonic possession can cause many things, including self-destruction and suicide. Can the reverse also be true? The Bible documents examples of demonic possession of persons, places, and things. Why could it not also possess artificial intelligence with conscious sentience?

Today, any privacy is an illusion with satellites, artificial intelligence, 5G, Siri, Alexa, Cortana, smartphones, smart TVs, appliances and computers, DNA databases, social media, forums, searching, electronic transactions, etc...

UFOs, once a topic of conspiracy theorists like myself, are now a center of attention with global governments and news media. The decades of lying, silence, false reports, and cover-ups are now coming to light with official soft disclosure and whistle-blowers. Why now, and for what purpose?

Not to offend the wacko gender pronoun police, If I were a betting they, these so-called UFOs [UAPs], have an end-time role to play. Perhaps it is related to a new DNA theory, panspermia. We go up, they come down.

 

[Vine Abider]

2 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

UFOs, once a topic of conspiracy theorists like myself, are now a center of attention with global governments and news media. The decades of lying, silence, false reports, and cover-ups are now coming to light with official soft disclosure and whistle-blowers. Why now, and for what purpose?

Not to offend the wacko gender pronoun police, If I were a betting they, these so-called UFOs [UAPs], have an end-time role to play. Perhaps it is related to a new DNA theory, panspermia. We go up, they come down.

 

It is interesting to watch, that is, speculate about how all these things might come together. (although I hold myself back from delving too much into the "deep things of Satan" as it can be a huge distraction) 

It's pretty easy to see that the being that puts all this stuff together and has all the apparent answers (including bringing "peace" to the middle east), and throws in some supernatural stuff,  will be set on a very high pedestal and worshipped by man.

[Vine Abider]

8 hours ago, RdJ said:

I always thought that when he stops the offering and sits in the temple the non christian Jews see they were mislead and that he can't be the messiah, so then they accept Jesus and he wants to kill them, but they get a safe place in the desert and al Israel gets saved.

 

Could be.  When it says that he causes the sacrifice and offerings to cease, and sets himself up as God in the temple, it's not clear to me how the Jews view this . . . What if by the signs and miracles being shown they're deceived to think he is God and then stop performing the rituals themselves, without being forced. He could perhaps tell them something like, "I'm God and those rituals were good for a time, but they are not needed now.  Eat, drink, be merry and worship me freely!"  

[RdJ]

1 hour ago, Vine Abider said:

Could be.  When it says that he causes the sacrifice and offerings to cease, and sets himself up as God in the temple, it's not clear to me how the Jews view this . . . What if by the signs and miracles being shown they're deceived to think he is God and then stop performing the rituals themselves, without being forced. He could perhaps tell them something like, "I'm God and those rituals were good for a time, but they are not needed now.  Eat, drink, be merry and worship me freely!"  

They'll never fall for that. They don't want Jesus because you may not worship a man. Initially they will accept him. If another one comes in his own name him you will receive. But if they all accept the antichrist when he sits in the temple and take the mark of the beast there's no need for the dragon to make war against the woman and then all Israel doesn't get saved and Zechariah 12 doesn't happen and Jerusalem doesnt say blessed he who comes and Jesus won't come back.

[Vine Abider]

2 minutes ago, RdJ said:

They'll never fall for that. They don't want Jesus because you may not worship a man. Initially they will accept him. If another one comes in his own name him you will receive. But if they all accept the antichrist when he sits in the temple and take the mark of the beast there's no need for the dragon to make war against the woman and then all Israel doesn't get saved and Zechariah 12 doesn't happen and Jerusalem doesnt say blessed he who comes and Jesus won't come back.

Thanks. I think you and I see the woman's identity differently . . . there's a number of interpretations of who she is.  Who do you think she is (assuming this is from Rev 12, right?)?

[RdJ]

23 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

Thanks. I think you and I see the woman's identity differently . . . there's a number of interpretations of who she is.  Who do you think she is (assuming this is from Rev 12, right?)?

I think the woman is Israel and the child is the church that gets raptured. Verse 17 the christians in the trib are also called her offspring:

And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 12:17 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/rev.12.17.NKJV

 

[RdJ]

No wait. The male child is not the church. The woman is pregnant.

It's the same as what Joseph saw in Genesis 37 with the sun, moon and stars.

Isaiah 66 (John 666 they left, Isaiah 666 they come back)

Before she was in labor, she gave birth;
Before her pain came,
She delivered a male child.
8 Who has heard such a thing?
Who has seen such things?
Shall the earth be made to give birth in one day?
Or shall a nation be born at once?
For as soon as Zion was in labor,
She gave birth to her children.
9 Shall I bring to the time of birth, and not cause delivery?” says the Lord.
“Shall I who cause delivery shut up the womb?” says your God.
 

 

[Vine Abider]

2 minutes ago, RdJ said:

No wait. The male child is not the church. The woman is pregnant.

It's the same as what Joseph saw in Genesis 37 with the sun, moon and stars.

Isaiah 66 (John 666 they left, Isaiah 666 they come back)

Before she was in labor, she gave birth;
Before her pain came,
She delivered a male child.
8 Who has heard such a thing?
Who has seen such things?
Shall the earth be made to give birth in one day?
Or shall a nation be born at once?
For as soon as Zion was in labor,
She gave birth to her children.
9 Shall I bring to the time of birth, and not cause delivery?” says the Lord.
“Shall I who cause delivery shut up the womb?” says your God.
 

 

Well now, we could get a whole lot of opinions here . . .  I think there is ground for the woman in Rev 12 being all of God's people, Jew and gentile.  The male child would then perhaps be the stronger part, that gets caught up to facilitate the ejection of the devil from heaven to the earth.  (I'd delve further into the verses, but I have an appointment to get to)

[Marathoner]

4 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

Could be.  When it says that he causes the sacrifice and offerings to cease, and sets himself up as God in the temple, it's not clear to me how the Jews view this . . . What if by the signs and miracles being shown they're deceived to think he is God and then stop performing the rituals themselves, without being forced. He could perhaps tell them something like, "I'm God and those rituals were good for a time, but they are not needed now.  Eat, drink, be merry and worship me freely!"  

(This is an aside to already existing discussion)

You reference my primary issue with premillennial dispensational theology: the resumption of practices that never forgave sin nor changed the heart of man, all of which was done away with when Christ Himself  made the one sacrifice for all time. The book of Hebrews explains this in detail.

In Christ --- not sacrifices of the blood or fat of animals on altars --- there is forgiveness of sins and what's more, only the Lord Himself redeems us and justifies us. 

Returning to dead things is not in keeping with harmony of scripture, and believing that dead things will be returned requires extra-biblical instruction and indoctrination. I never arrived at such beliefs over the years. That's because I wasn't indoctrinated into that system of theology.

I just don't get it. 

[Vine Abider]

51 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

(This is an aside to already existing discussion)

You reference my primary issue with premillennial dispensational theology: the resumption of practices that never forgave sin nor changed the heart of man, all of which was done away with when Christ Himself  made the one sacrifice for all time. The book of Hebrews explains this in detail.

In Christ --- not sacrifices of the blood or fat of animals on altars --- there is forgiveness of sins and what's more, only the Lord Himself redeems us and justifies us. 

Returning to dead things is not in keeping with harmony of scripture, and believing that dead things will be returned requires extra-biblical instruction and indoctrination. I never arrived at such beliefs over the years. That's because I wasn't indoctrinated into that system of theology.

I just don't get it. 

Are you objecting to the theology or that the Jews would do something like that? Practicing Jews are still stuck in the old Covenant, so doing the sacrifices according to that Covenant make sense for them to start up again. The book of Hebrews was about urging them not to return to the old Covenant practices after they became Christians, but non-believing Jews wouldn't even see that of course. Please clarify your point.