God made us, doesnt he OWE us heaven???

[DaughterofKing]

God made us. So doesnt he owe us heaven then? He brought us into this world after all. It seems unfair that if we then reject life we will burn in hell eternally, i mean shouldnt there be a 3rd option? Like death? I mean he made us, we didnt ask to be born, so then if we reject life, doesnt it seem unfair to punish us eternally???

[Final]

On the contrary, we owe God everything, God owes us nothing at all.

Life is a gift, how would you feel if you gave someone a vauable gift and they tossed it away like garbage? of course you wouldn't want to punish them eternally , but none the less you would be very peeved and hurt.

But this is much bigger, there is no greater gift than life, so if you reject it , God would be very hurt.

On the whole eternal punishment thing, God doesn't send you to hell you send yourself there, you know the rules and the commandments and the consequences of not trying to obey them. God brought us into the world to give us the chance to prove ourselves as good christians and if we are, we get eternal life and happiness, i dont think thats harsh for obeying a few rules now is it? lol very generous if you ask me.

[Pilgrim7]

Daughter,

Good News!

There are only two options, life and death. The wages of sin is death. Choose ye this day, life or death. Everlasting torture is a lie of the devil. It came out of Ancient Babylon and was introduced in the dark ages by a 'Mystery Babylon' or false christianity. From the beginning the wages of sin have been death.

The first instruction that God gave to man was disobedience leads to death:

Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

We choose:

Deut 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Paul knew the wages or payment received for sin is death:

Rom 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.

6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

2Tim 1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

John knew:

1Jn 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

The teaching of eternal torment was not developed until long after the death of the Apostles.

It was not until the year 553 and the Council of Constantinople in the time of Justinian that the teaching of everlasting torture in hell became an official doctrine of the Catholic Church. It comes from a misunderstanding of the 'aeons' in the Greek. An 'aeon' is an age or a set predetermined period of time. All are resurected at the end of time, of 'aeons', The righteous receive endless live, and the lost suffer the 'second death' in the lake of fire. This is how and where they die. They suffer proportional to the amount of sin they commited, for God is a just God. The only things that are eternal are life and death. Life is forever and death is forever.

Because of our sins, the only thing God owes us is death. Yet in His great love, He offers us the choice to repent from our sins and choose life. It is totally up to us. We all will choose one or the other.

I have an indepth study on the subject if your interested either personal message me or email me and I will attach it to you.

God Bless,

Dennis

[DaughterofKing]

But.....it says in the Bible that hell is a place of eternal torment....and christians have given testimonies of going to hell and witnessing people in hell being tortured and burning.

[book_wirm]

But.....it says in the Bible that hell is a place of eternal torment...

Agreed...don't fall away from the truth simply because someone tells you hell is not eternal. Search both sides out and hold to that which is true.

As to whether or not God "owes" us anything...read Romans 8-10....and yes, it should humble us. We are not nearly as important as we like to make ourselves think.

In Christ,

Eric

[Gerioke]

But.....it says in the Bible that hell is a place of eternal torment....and christians have given testimonies of going to hell and witnessing people in hell being tortured and burning.

Really? Which christians would they be?

[nebula]

Doesn't anyone know how to use the PM feature around here to ask the Mods administrative questions?

[dgolvach]

Pilgram (Dennis),

I wish you were correct about Hell because I don't understand the need for it. Nor will anyone ever be able to explain it in away that will make me understand it. Still, the overwhelming Biblical evidence suggest that there is an eternal Hell. It also suggests that the vast majority of souls who live on Earth will end up there. Only a small percentage go to heaven. Very small. Just read some of the OSAS posts here.

Dan

[book_wirm]

Hey mods, where do we keep getting these people*?

*edited by responder

It is 7th Day Adventist teaching...so I would guess from there.

In Christ,

Eric

[Guest H2Oangel]

God made us. So doesnt he owe us heaven then? He brought us into this world after all. It seems unfair that if we then reject life we will burn in hell eternally, i mean shouldnt there be a 3rd option? Like death? I mean he made us, we didnt ask to be born, so then if we reject life, doesnt it seem unfair to punish us eternally???

Matthew 21:37-38

Jesus replied:"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. "

So we should follow his commandment not because we want to go to heaven but because we love him. We love him because he loved us first.

God owe us anything at all. He is the one that gave his only son to die on the cross for our sins. He went through so much pain even before hewas crucified on the cross. Physical and emotional

John 19.

Then Pilate took Jesus and had him flogged. the soldiers twisted toghter a crown of thorns and put it on his head.

Luke 22:63-64

The men who were garding Jesus began mocking and beating him.

Psalm

The Lord is close to the brokenhearted and saves those who are cruched in spirit.

So you see we owe him. He dous not owe us. He has allready died on the cross so that our sins would be forgiven if we repnet. We are washed by the blood of Christ.

My question to the one that asked this question is dont you think that he already did enough? And if you question your self about 'dousent he owe use eternal life in heven?' always read the bible. You could also wath the movie the Passion of the Christ. Or even think about the times that God has been there for you and gieded you when you have goon through trubled time.