When was Satan cast out of heaven down to the earth?

[DeighAnn]

27Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour. 28Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again. 29The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him. 30Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes. 31Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. 32And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. 33This he said, signifying what death he should die. 



What happens when we take out the verse 'that is claimed to be about Satan'?  

27Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour. 28Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again. 29The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him. 30Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.

WITHout this, 
32And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. 33This he said, signifying what death he should die. 

it makes no sense.   


Without this verse being about Jesus about to become the Lamb of God, taken from the world...

we are left to ASSUME, left in confusion as to how they would have known what Rev was going to put forth before it was

Again, how could Satan be 'the prince of this world' WHILE Jesus walked the earth?  John wasn't proclaiming the kingdom of Satan was near...


How can Satan be the prince of this world EVEN NOW if not ALL that is written about his short time/rule is not/has not been taking place?  Would the GOOD NEWS have been going around the world for the past 2000 years with Satan here?  What about the whole world will be deceived?  Surely he would have stopped the bible from being published and put into everyones hands.  Christianity is the largest religion on the earth.  HOW could that take place if Satan has been the prince of the world all this time?   He STILL isn't even close to 'standing where he ought not claiming to be God', there have been no lying SIGNS and Wonders...only things that has been going on is LOTS of deception, lots of those claiming to be christs, lots of persecution, lots of wars but then again that is exactly what Jesus told us would take place BEFORE the end, the things we are told in Matt 24, Mark 13?  Did Jesus just fail to mention Satan would be here on earth for all of that?  

Again, angels 'cast out of heaven' are not born of water/woman so they are NOT flesh and blood, so they don't die until Christs return...

This isn't just some story, this is going to be reality, a reality all alive will witness, it won't be hidden, well except for the TRUTH of what is really going on
 

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

Jesus told them…

John 12:31

Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
 

Why don’t people believe the words of Jesus?

They do, they just don't all believe what you say they mean especially since you can't show it written anywhere.   AND you have NO FALLEN ANGELS ON THE EARTH FOR THE PAST 2000 YEARS and we all know THEY also are cast down when he is

[Charlie744]

2 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

The little horn is the “tail” of the Red Dragon as those scriptures confirm.  The tail of the Red Dragon is not a man, as men cannot cast down the angels of heaven to the ground.

The tail of the Red Dragon represents the false prophet spirit aka the spirit of antichrist.

 

No, there is no mention of a tail in Daniel- that is in Revelation.

If you want to interpret Daniel, interpret Daniel. Daniel was written for the Jews and the city of Jerusalem- it was for / to THEM prophesying the complete restoration from Babylon, with the final piece of the restoration (furniture) being the return of the Ark of the Covenant in the form of the coming of their Messiah on the first day of the last week of the prophecy. 
 

Also, if we continue with this new topic, it will distract us from your original one. We can please table this for another time. 

[Charlie744]

1 hour ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

So you don’t have any verses to prove Satan was cast out of heaven for good at that time?  
 

That is what I thought.  The reason is, the words of God do not contradict.  Jesus told us exactly “when”Satan would be cast out heaven.  The book of Daniel and the book of Revelation confirm this truth.

Please try and answer the question I asked . Please consider the verses in Genesis that tells us the storyline of the fall. 
 
Also, please consider whatever verses in the Scripture that tell us that God can not be in the presence of sin.

Therefore, if satan sinned by deceiving Adam in the Garden, doesn’t that mean that satan can no longer be accepted in heaven?

 

 

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

They do, they just don't all believe what you say they mean especially since you can't show it written anywhere.   AND you have NO FALLEN ANGELS ON THE EARTH FOR THE PAST 2000 YEARS and we all know THEY also are cast down when he is

I provided all kinds of scripture in the OP and all throughout this thread, why is it that you do not understand?🤔

[Charlie744]

4 minutes ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

I provided all kinds of scripture in the OP and all throughout this thread, why is it that you do not understand?🤔

You can attach all the verses in the Bible that you want to… if they support your interpretation that is fine.

But that does not mean your interpretation of those verses is correct. I had mentioned earlier that there are at least 3 different main views on when satan was cast down, and each of the 3 groups are confident their  are correct.

So, if this is known, then we should get a clean piece of paper and start identifying those verses that we believe should apply to this topic. 
 

I believe it is fair to suggest that the first time we have verses in the Bible that speak of this topic, or to this topic is in Genesis.

So, before we move on to other appropriate verses, maybe we can address this one.

Right after the fall (sin) by both parties (satan and Adam), were they both removed from heaven or the Garden, respectively?

Thanks, Charlie 

[Stewardofthemystery]

50 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

No, there is no mention of a tail in Daniel- that is in Revelation.

If you want to interpret Daniel, interpret Daniel. Daniel was written for the Jews and the city of Jerusalem- it was for / to THEM prophesying the complete restoration from Babylon, with the final piece of the restoration (furniture) being the return of the Ark of the Covenant in the form of the coming of their Messiah on the first day of the last week of the prophecy. 
 

Also, if we continue with this new topic, it will distract us from your original one. We can please table this for another time. 

The Revelation gives you more insight into the prophecy in Daniel.  The proper interpretation of scripture belongs to God, and to those whom God reveals it to by His Spirit.

But the natural man cannot receive or understand the things of the Spirit of God because he only know what he knows “naturally.” Because the natural man cannot see or understand the spiritual things of God, the natural man then corrupts himself by his own understanding.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

1 hour ago, Charlie744 said:

Please try and answer the question I asked . Please consider the verses in Genesis that tells us the storyline of the fall. 
 
Also, please consider whatever verses in the Scripture that tell us that God can not be in the presence of sin.

Therefore, if satan sinned by deceiving Adam in the Garden, doesn’t that mean that satan can no longer be accepted in heaven?

 

 

 

What verses do you want me to consider?  You haven’t posted any.👀

If you can’t prove your doctrine by the words of God, then it is just the opinions of men.

[Stewardofthemystery]

8 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

You can attach all the verses in the Bible that you want to… if they support your interpretation that is fine.

But that does not mean your interpretation of those verses is correct. I had mentioned earlier that there are at least 3 different main views on when satan was cast down, and each of the 3 groups are confident their  are correct.

So, if this is known, then we should get a clean piece of paper and start identifying those verses that we believe should apply to this topic. 
 

I believe it is fair to suggest that the first time we have verses in the Bible that speak of this topic, or to this topic is in Genesis.

So, before we move on to other appropriate verses, maybe we can address this one.

Right after the fall (sin) by both parties (satan and Adam), were they both removed from heaven or the Garden, respectively?

Thanks, Charlie 

I posted the scriptures that confirm the Truth, you posted your opinion.

Just because you say those scriptures are not true, does not make it so.😊

[Charlie744]

33 minutes ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

The Revelation gives you more insight into the prophecy in Daniel.  The proper interpretation of scripture belongs to God, and to those whom God reveals it to by His Spirit.

But the natural man cannot receive or understand the things of the Spirit of God because he only know what he knows “naturally.” Because the natural man cannot see or understand the spiritual things of God, the natural man then corrupts himself by his own understanding.

 

No, Daniel is used to interpret Revelation. 
 
Your understanding of Daniel 8 is based on what you assume Revelation is telling you.

Again, leave Daniel to interpret itself… it does. It does not need any help from Revelation.

Again, Daniel is another subject to discuss.